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Rethoren
01.19.2012 , 02:06 AM | #11
sup, lvl 50 sentinel on The Shadowlands here (same char name as my online name, republic) gotta say man...you couldnt be more wrong. The hard mode flashpoints are not intended to be done right after hitting 50, they are designed to actually BE HARD. you have to be well geared to handle them, and even after being geared, its still possible to get your *** kicked. I run with a vanguard tank every day, and with proper CC, we steamroll over most boss fights (only one that ever has really given us difficulties is ironfist in hard mode esseles when one of us gets stunned and we miss a headshot interrupt)

The point is guy, all you really need to do is gear up some, do your dailys, swap out your installed mods with the epic stuff you get from ilum and belsavis.

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Salmissra
01.19.2012 , 02:10 AM | #12
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1. 2 Taunts, 1 of which has a 45 second timer. Now it hasnt been in issue but in hard mode there are waves of mobs in many many areas that come at maybe 20 second intervals. So that aoe taunt is pointless. Making highest dps or anyone aoe'ing main tank and negating any sort of purpose a main tank has other than some added dps. The taunts in this game are poorly thought out and not taken into mind in hard mode.
Are you talking about Kaon only, or what? The only time this is really an issue there is the mini-event, for which the gun emplacement exists. Yea, it's definitely a more AE-intensive fight, but you also don't NEED to pick up all the weak-level mobs. My job as a tank has always been to ensure that the strong-elite-champion level mobs are on me - the dps eliminate weak targets first because if they pull aggro on those, they don't get hurt much.

What does any of this have to do with powertechs specifically though?

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2. Im easily the best geared person on my server. Every piece of gear is +def and +shield with between 116-136 armor rating on everything and normal modes are a breeze with no deaths. Get into hard mode and some bosses will literally flash my entire hp off doing no casting effect just some invisible aoe and Im dead. Or they throw a bomb and it does 8-10k hp? Seriously? The amount of damage done by things in hard mode is literally shocking. The turrets spawned in Battle of Ilum on the boss with the inq and the sniper and as soon as they popped i shot my one pointless single target taunt into one and in the time it took for that dart to leave me and hit the turret my healer went from 80% hp to 0 hp.
You know things have enrage timers, right? Are you sure you are not confusing this with that? Are you sure your healer just didn't have a wtfderp moment? Yeah, incoming damage can hurt and it can stack up quick. I died in a HM D7 run the other day on trash, just got overconfident or maybe my healer buddy zonked out for a bit, it happens. I've been tanking hardmodes since I was in blue quest leveling gear and it was a helluva lot rougher then compared to now.

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3. I have 3 and 8 tionese coms and crystals and ive killed 6 or 8 bosses over 3 unbeatable hard mode flashpoints.
The only unbeatable (technically, I suppose it could be beaten, so let's say just plain broken) flashpoint was Foundry, which is now supposedly (haven't done it yet) fixed. So what flashpoint are YOU talking about here and in 4? I've personally beaten all the others and rarely do we die anymore.

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4. Why do we have to die 40 times and quit on a hard mode while the normal modes we die none and the gear is redundant.
Maybe you should examine why you are dying instead of blaming the instance.

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5. The only way to beat bosses is exploiting. You have to drag around a boss untill he gets glitched in a corner and cant shoot anymore or he drops into a small tear in the ground and cant line of sight you but you can line of sight him. You guys made a game that is so hard people who want to play and enjoy the game literally have to cheat to play.
This is either trolling or just plain bull****. I have never exploited any of the hardmode bosses in any fashion even remotely approaching what you just said.

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6. The gear is redundant EXTREMELY quickly on medium mode flashpoints. I mean by the time you finish ilum all the mediums that drop Correllia coms are worthless and a waste of time.
I can actually agree here. The entire Tion/Energized itemset is basically pointless and redundant, especially if you pvp and get champion gear, which beats out both. Bosses drop crystals, tier 1, and tier 2? Two types of currency for a single tier? None of it really makes any sense. The only worthwhile thing in each instance is basically the last boss.

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7. You F'd us big time on light pop servers with the new pvp level cap. There are only 20 level 50's in our entire server 5 or 6 of us pvp'd. The republic has 10 or 15 level 50's of which 3 or 4 pvp. So you literally ended our pvp.
Also sort of agree. I think they should have created an "expanding" system where if there aren't enough 50's in the queue, the game would start looking for level 49's to put in the match, then 48's, etc... until a game can start.

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So is SWTOR another one month and quit mmo? What now? This is a serious post. I need to know where to go.
I really don't know. I would feel a lot better about the game if devs actually had some serious communication. Blog posts full of PR bull**** that don't really explain what the hell they are doing to clean up this disaster just doesn't relieve my concerns. I've gone from a 6-mo plan to seriously considering just not subbing at all - I'll give them a 1mo sub though and see if they can really shape things up. But it's looking grim.

Still, don't agree with much of the rest of your post.

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This post is getting too long already if anyone is interested in talking specifics in specific flashpoints just say so.
So, which ones? There are plenty of non-exploitive strats for all the hardmodes. I spent time wiping 5-6 times learning/just trying to power through some of the tougher ones (like Ilum pig-guy with the adds) but we've gotten loads better.

I'll throw in my favorite powertech tip for Battle of Ilum - on the 2nd Gamorrean boss, he has 2 strong-level mobs near him - Have your group stand at the doorway to the room you came from, use grapple on the add standing furthest from the boss, and immediately, WITHOUT ATTACKING, run back towards your group and around the corner to LOS pull them. You can do this without aggroing the boss AS LONG AS YOU AND EVERYBODY ELSE DOES NOT SHOOT THEM until they are far away from the boss. Saves you an iffy fight or a wipe from needing to dps both those guys as well during the fight.

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nothingavailable
01.19.2012 , 09:16 AM | #13
It was the Kaon event that really grinded my gears. We kept trying it and trying it and getting further but the event would never end. It got to the point where we were like ok theres something huge were missing or this is just impossible. The guy on the gun was doing great and we would last awhile but...itd come to a screeching halt when he got knocked off and we got overwhelmed.

The other problem I think is we have a really really low geared dps juggernaut whose not helping much and I dont think has a knock back that wouldve been usefull on the BoI boss that spawns adds every few seconds. I can grab aggro with the flame aoe but someone breaks it pretty quick.

We're learning. And like Raynne I think his name is said those are the harder hard flashpoints. Black Talon wasnt very hard. Were gonna do all more of those type hards. I appreciate peoples input I did read all your responses and some were pretty helpful.

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silverprovidence
01.19.2012 , 09:24 AM | #14
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It was the Kaon event that really grinded my gears. We kept trying it and trying it and getting further but the event would never end. It got to the point where we were like ok theres something huge were missing or this is just impossible. The guy on the gun was doing great and we would last awhile but...itd come to a screeching halt when he got knocked off and we got overwhelmed.

The other problem I think is we have a really really low geared dps juggernaut whose not helping much and I dont think has a knock back that wouldve been usefull on the BoI boss that spawns adds every few seconds. I can grab aggro with the flame aoe but someone breaks it pretty quick.

We're learning. And like Raynne I think his name is said those are the harder hard flashpoints. Black Talon wasnt very hard. Were gonna do all more of those type hards. I appreciate peoples input I did read all your responses and some were pretty helpful.
You cant get knocked off the kaon gun unless you die. If he's clicking he's doing it wrong, clicking dismounts you :P. Got to turn with the a+d keys and the gun shoots automatically when its facing enemies.
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Alchropie
01.19.2012 , 12:26 PM | #15
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First off, if youre a troll or not level 50 exit this thread IMMEDIATELY.
I'm not 50, but I can definately spot a douche when I see one.

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JLapp
01.19.2012 , 01:01 PM | #16
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1. Making highest dps or anyone aoe'ing main tank and negating any sort of purpose a main tank has other than some added dps. The taunts in this game are poorly thought out and not taken into mind in hard mode.
As a DPS, I think the taunts are fine. If I throw out massives AOEs I'll pull aggro and die. DPS need to understand when to use AOE abilities and went to single target.

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2. Get into hard mode and some bosses will literally flash my entire hp off doing no casting effect just some invisible aoe and Im dead. Or they throw a bomb and it does 8-10k hp? Seriously? The amount of damage done by things in hard mode is literally shocking.
Trash mobs do a lot of damage and need to be killed quickly. Most bosses that have a high damage attack can be interrupted, or if they can't hardly do any damage outside of that one attack.

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3. I have 3 and 8 tionese coms and crystals and ive killed 6 or 8 bosses over 3 unbeatable hard mode flashpoints.
Crystals/Commendations are mean to supplement drops in the case that you can't seem to get a boss to drop what they need. What would be the point if you could get everyone in a group and entire set to epic armor in a night?

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5. The only way to beat bosses is exploiting. You have to drag around a boss untill he gets glitched in a corner and cant shoot anymore or he drops into a small tear in the ground and cant line of sight you but you can line of sight him. You guys made a game that is so hard people who want to play and enjoy the game literally have to cheat to play.
I don't believe I have ever done any type of glitching in order to kill a boss on hard mode. Everything I have ran into has been do-able as it seems the designers intended.

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6. The gear is redundant EXTREMELY quickly on medium mode flashpoints. I mean by the time you finish ilum all the mediums that drop Correllia coms are worthless and a waste of time.
Once you have some purple daily armor/mod/enhancements yes, the normal mode stuff is worthless. I do think there should be some more worthwhile drops from non-final bosses in hard modes though. Maybe just a different type of enhancement that could allow people to improve their current orange gear or customize the sets that they have. (for my class, 3/5 columi pieces have power/accuracy on them so if I could find a crit/surge or something to throw on there, that would be nice....my options now are to kill a final boss, buy a different set and rip the enhancement out).

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wingsofcover
01.19.2012 , 01:11 PM | #17
I went straight from corellia (didn't even finish everything there, just class stuff) to tanking Hardmodes at 50.

The flashpoint isn't the problem, and there are some things that will straight up 1 or 2 shot you if you don't know what you're doing.

I still don't even have decent gear in all my slots from running daily hardmodes (I'm cursed to make only warrior gear drop while I'm on my powertech).
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imahayhead
01.19.2012 , 01:17 PM | #18
I don't see what the problem is. As one of the top 2 tanks on my server as you claim to be, the HM FP are extremely easy. I'm a 50 guardian and the imp/rep ratio is 5:1 on my server and yet we can still pvp, not as much as we would like to now because there are far less people to play with, yet we can still pvp and there is Ilum to pvp in now. If you were actually the top tank then you would at least have partial gear as I already have full pvp gear which makes FP easy as hell. My guild has run the new FP on HM right away and we don't have any problems except that dumb robot boss. Stop qqing and learn how to play your class.

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wingsofcover
01.19.2012 , 01:19 PM | #19
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I don't see what the problem is. As one of the top 2 tanks on my server as you claim to be, the HM FP are extremely easy. I'm a 50 guardian and the imp/rep ratio is 5:1 on my server and yet we can still pvp, not as much as we would like to now because there are far less people to play with, yet we can still pvp and there is Ilum to pvp in now. If you were actually the top tank then you would at least have partial gear as I already have full pvp gear which makes FP easy as hell. My guild has run the new FP on HM right away and we don't have any problems except that dumb robot boss. Stop qqing and learn how to play your class.
Did you manage to kill the bonus robot on hardmode, if so, I really want to know how. We kept dying and finally decided to move on to the last fight because I had an early morning today.

Which seemed to have bugged on us, but we managed eventually.
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Risingstars
01.19.2012 , 01:25 PM | #20
Vanguard tank here, let me just reiterate some of the things said here already.

1. Don't tank every single mob. The regular mobs are usually harmless and easy to kill for your DPS. They SHOULD go after these mobs first. Your job is to tank the silver and gold mobs.
2. If there are too many mobs or they are too spread out, use CC's! Learn which class have which type of CCs and assign accordingly.
3. Hard mode are suppose to be hard. Almost every boss has an enrage timer. As a tank you should shoot for somewhere around 18k health to start
4. Despite what our gear says, you should be stacking Defense first. Shoot for around 250-300 Defense, 150 Shield, 150 Absorption rating first. This is because shield cannot proc from certain damage, thus Defense is always better for gearing, and you should shoot for a 2:1:1 ration.
5. If you are having threat issues then swap out a few pieces of tanking gear for threat gear. For example, I always carry both Triumph and Comet Strike and switches them when my threat is a concern and my health is not a problem.
6. Almost every HM boss is beatable at this point. None of them have gaming breaking bugs. I have done every single HM on the republic side but the new one and Battle of Illum. They get easier as the group gets better gear.
7. The main difference from Heroic Instances in WoW and this game is that one person can not carry the entire team! You really need the entire team to work together. Get on vent, discuss strategies, and group with people you trust!