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Raani
01.19.2012 , 04:46 AM | #11
As far as green --> blue is concerned, it doesn't seem to take that long with average luck, even at level 49. I've RE-ed a lot of different things for different alts and green --> blue is never a problem (at least I don't consider 5-20 tries a huge investment).

The problem is that blue --> purple takes a lot of time, due to the crafting timers of blue items, a lot of mats, and has 5 possible outcomes, of which some are abysmal. Even this wouldn't be as bad if the items had lasting value. As it is, they don't, so we're expected to put an inordinate amount of effort into obtaining subpar items.

If you simply trained these recipes and ran some missions to get the metals, it would be fine if you replaced them a few days or a week later. Under the current circumstances, it's not acceptable.

So either have a cap on number of RE attempts (say, max of 20 for blue --> epic), or buff the quality of the items produced.

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Abies
01.19.2012 , 04:58 AM | #12
This past evening I RE'd three separate max-level recipes from blue to purple. Pretty much the same story every night last week. For some other guildmates... Not so much luck.

It is clearly a static percent chance to upgrade a schematic. I'm not sure why anyone would choose to believe they "deserve" to get a schem upgraded simply because they used a certain volume of resources. After all, no one forced you to RE the items you created. You could have used or sold them as well.

If the disappointment of not getting what you want RIGHT NOW! is too much to bear, then perhaps crafting in this game is just not for you. (And get ready for even more disappointment in real life.)

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ogrebane
01.19.2012 , 05:37 AM | #13
Abies, thanks for your experience, and your completely worthless comment about how it was our problem, because we chose to RE all of our stuff. No, it wasn't our choice, that is the way the game mechanics work. If you want the best recipes, you RE stuff.


And to the person saying it seems normal, and for armormech( same crafting skill I am having issues with), I have seen along the lines of 10% rate to get blue , 5% to get purples while leveling up, but in the last week, around max skill level, have seen not a single upgraded recipe of any kind. While constantly sending a guy out making the base recipes and immediately RE'ing them when he gets back. I can understand bad luck, and a run of 30 or so being bad luck, but a run of well over 100 or so?... and these are not trying to get purples, 90% of those attempts were trying to get blue recipes...seriously those are the numbers I am up to at this point.

The only saving grace, is that the only 'pure credit cost' is the amount of thermoplast flux the items use, and not any other mats, since they can all be scavenged. At least for the base green recipes anyhow. I tried a few blues, but have quit, since I it didn't seem smart to throw away the rarer and costlier UW mats for no gain. When/If I start seeing any recipes pop, I might start back on the blues again, but until then, not wasting any more credits.

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Rareyrare
01.19.2012 , 07:12 AM | #14
Quote: Originally Posted by Abies View Post
This past evening I RE'd three separate max-level recipes from blue to purple. Pretty much the same story every night last week. For some other guildmates... Not so much luck.

It is clearly a static percent chance to upgrade a schematic. I'm not sure why anyone would choose to believe they "deserve" to get a schem upgraded simply because they used a certain volume of resources. After all, no one forced you to RE the items you created. You could have used or sold them as well.

If the disappointment of not getting what you want RIGHT NOW! is too much to bear, then perhaps crafting in this game is just not for you. (And get ready for even more disappointment in real life.)
Are you saying that you are able to sell green items on your server's GTN for anything approaching a rational price, when you take into account the time invested could have been put into other pursuits ie questing or merely mob grinding???

If so, you're not only extremely lucky with you REing, but you have a server community that actually rewards your effort... that's not the case on every server, I assure you.

No one is expecting instant gratification. No one is expecting reward without any effort. If you're happy with the system, as is, the I'm happy for you. But there is no need to get on your moral high-horse and denigrate those of us who believe that the systems blows donkey nuts...

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Eortotai
01.19.2012 , 08:03 AM | #15
Quote: Originally Posted by Raani View Post
As far as green --> blue is concerned, it doesn't seem to take that long with average luck, even at level 49. I've RE-ed a lot of different things for different alts and green --> blue is never a problem (at least I don't consider 5-20 tries a huge investment).

The problem is that blue --> purple takes a lot of time, due to the crafting timers of blue items, a lot of mats, and has 5 possible outcomes, of which some are abysmal. Even this wouldn't be as bad if the items had lasting value. As it is, they don't, so we're expected to put an inordinate amount of effort into obtaining subpar items.

If you simply trained these recipes and ran some missions to get the metals, it would be fine if you replaced them a few days or a week later. Under the current circumstances, it's not acceptable.

So either have a cap on number of RE attempts (say, max of 20 for blue --> epic), or buff the quality of the items produced.
I totally agree with this. Schematics are simply not worth the time OR the credits right now, as it takes tens of thousands of credits on average to RE to purple, only to have people not even willing to buy anything for over 10k that's a purple when they can just go get mods with their comms and spend no credits. I've been crafting and trying to sell a lot of things on the GTN, and bottom line, even if you have GREAT luck REing, stuff simply will NOT sell at a price that will provide a profit to the crafter.
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Nitblade
01.19.2012 , 12:43 PM | #16
My main is Armormech (around 350 right now) and it's only use is outfitting my companions and my lowbie alt smuggler. Putting stuff on the GTN is just a waste of time and credits even if i put them up dirt cheap.

But what has been ticking me off this week is the Reverse Engineering nerf, i just can't believe it hasn't been. I used to need 5-10 items from green to blue, i wont bother getting better then blue for companions. But this week with well over 90 craft across 2 toons and ONLY 1 SINGLE BLUE schematic to show for it, ridiculous.

IF this is working as intended right now the "colorful expletive" that decided the RE success chance needs to be fired. I don't mind working for my equipment but I want to know that I have at least a decent chance at success not winning the powerball kind of ridiculous odds that we have
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Raelstrom
01.19.2012 , 12:52 PM | #17
Quote: Originally Posted by Priam View Post
I've reverse engineered about 40 green bastion enhancement 22's today and still have not gained the blue schematic version. Normally takes less than 10 to get the blue.


If this was an intended change, you'd think it would have made it into the patch notes. Perhaps I just missed it.
Less than 10? Wow, then I have been broke since day 1. If I am INCREDIBLY lucky it takes less than 10.

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Priam
01.19.2012 , 01:58 PM | #18
I have to agree with some of the sentiment here that if it is going to take 30-40 or more green items re'd to get a blue schematic, then this type of crafting really is useless, at least from my perspective as an artificer. While I burn through resources, credits, and time to struggle to get the blue schematic for a level 49 bastion enhancement, or a level 49 guardian hilt, I can instead go and earn credits, legacy xp, and get loot drops doing daily Ilum and Belsavis quests to get daily comms, and buy the purple level 50 bastion enhancements and guardian hilts.

I guess I'll leave the RE'ing to those that enjoy the frustration.
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OldSwab
01.19.2012 , 02:17 PM | #19
It feels like it takes longer to get to purple, but I don't have any numbers to back that up.

I RE'd medpacks for the reusable (purple) at 8, 24, 32. Same with the armor 15s boost. I tried and tried for the 40, but have since given up. 1 more level to 50 and I'll do the Rakata one.

I have blue schematics for Agent-specific implants at lvl 27, 41 (39?) and 45 if memory serves, 45 is the only purple I have. However, I can make six in an evening after collecting mats, and they sell 16000. What I have not gotten lately is a crit to add a augment to the mods on a purple implant.

Oh wells...
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Burtlebe
01.19.2012 , 02:32 PM | #20
It is for sure taking alot longer or is somewhat broken since patch 1.1. I was trying to get some some lvl 9 items made on the medium synthweaving skill. The day before the patch I easily got the two items for the heavy armor but after patch i tried making 20 each for the two lvl 9 medium greens and got no blue schematics I figured something was wrong, I havent seen those kinds of number except when trying to re green lvl 49 schematics to get the blues.
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