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Leveling is WAY to fast!!!


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CypherFett
01.18.2012 , 05:01 PM | #51
agreed all xp should be cut by 66%.
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Caelrie
01.18.2012 , 05:04 PM | #52
Quote: Originally Posted by Saitada View Post
I play several of them. PWI and AION being two of them. I also play EVE Online.

The question I have to ask you is this. With leveling be as easy as it is in this game.. what are you going to do when there are no more levels left to gain? When you've done all the content. When you've beaten the flashpoints, done everything in just a few short weeks?
Operations, PVP, more flashpoints.


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Roll another class and do it all again?
Already doing that anyway.

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In short order..... you will have nothing left to do at all, because everything has handed to you on a gilded plate.
I don't think you know what that phrase actually means.

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Oh and BTW... I live in the real world, and my accomplishments and satisfactions are acquired from the real world. This includes gaining accomplishments and satisfactions from my RECREATION in virtual worlds.
Have you beaten the hardest content on nightmare difficulty yet? No? Then you've still got plenty to accomplish in SWTOR. Getting max level in an MMO isn't meant to be a life-affirming achievement.

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Saitada
01.18.2012 , 05:28 PM | #53
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Operations, PVP, more flashpoints.
And when those take longer than you hope to get into the game?

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Already doing that anyway.
Which still doesn't invalidate my statement.

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I don't think you know what that phrase actually means.
Rofl, oh yes I do. I played EQ1, went through Hell levels, capped out. I know the difference between working for your levels, and having them handed to you without having to work for them. I.E. Being given everything, w/o doing the work to gain them (Like rich kids who inherit all their parents money [a particular skinny anorexic blonde comes to mind] and then feeling entitled to it and not understanding how anything could or should be any different).

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Have you beaten the hardest content on nightmare difficulty yet? No? Then you've still got plenty to accomplish in SWTOR.
I never said that I still didn't have content to do yet now did I? No, so putting words in my mouth is a failure on your part.

I have been playing Online games since a 286 processor was the fastest thing on the market, so I know what I am talking about when it comes to feeling things are going too fast. I've watched the sad progression of online games. People used to take pride in earning their levels. Gaining that hard to get item, or doing something nobody else thought was possible. Now, it is all rush rush rush to the top. Get them there quick before their attention span runs out or some new shiny in another game lures them away so they will talk good about our game.

There is no sense of having worked for anything as it is all slid to you (on a gilded platter) easily and with little effort. Even the Nightmare Mode stuff you are talking about, shouldn't even be being tried yet. I personally don't think there should be ANY maxxed out characters a month after the game has come out (let alone a week after as some accomplished).

Sorry if my view conflicts with yours, but I tend to play games for YEARS, I have no interest in playing something for a cpl months or so. Hell I played EQ1 for more than 8 years, and I've been playing EVE since 2005 (WH life and Nullsec FTW! Carebears need not apply). I had hoped that SW would not go the route they have went. Everything on a fast track to the top.. but it is what it is. We'll see how things are when I hit 50.

Anyway that is just my opinion. You are welcome to yours as well (obviously lol).

~Saitada

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Caelrie
01.18.2012 , 05:34 PM | #54
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And when those take longer than you hope to get into the game?
They already added some in 1.1.

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Which still doesn't invalidate my statement.
It does.

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Rofl, oh yes I do. I played EQ1, went through Hell levels, capped out. I know the difference between working for your levels, and having them handed to you without having to work for them. I.E. Being given everything, w/o doing the work to gain them (Like rich kids who inherit all their parents money [a particular skinny anorexic blonde comes to mind] and then feeling entitled to it and not understanding how anything could or should be any different).
Something that takes over a hundred hours to accomplish isn't "handed to you". Tired cliches are tired.


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I have been playing Online games since a 286 processor was the fastest thing on the market, so I know what I am talking about when it comes to feeling things are going too fast. I've watched the sad progression of online games. People used to take pride in earning their levels.
Since MMORPGs have become a hundred times more popular since those changes, I'd say that no, you don't know what you're talking about.

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Gaining that hard to get item, or doing something nobody else thought was possible. Now, it is all rush rush rush to the top. Get them there quick before their attention span runs out or some new shiny in another game lures them away so they will talk good about our game.
You haven't beaten SWTOR yet, so what's the problem? I thought you could do it TODAY since it's all being handed to you "on a gilded plate". What's your excuse for not having done it then? hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm? I mean, shouldn't you have done it all in the first week of release? Are you having problems accomplishing something that's supposedly being handed to you?

Why doesn't this add up?

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Sorry if my view conflicts with yours, but I tend to play games for YEARS, I have no interest in playing something for a cpl months or so. Hell I played EQ1 for more than 8 years, and I've been playing EVE since 2005 (WH life and Nullsec FTW! Carebears need not apply). I had hoped that SW would not go the route they have went. Everything on a fast track to the top.. but it is what it is.
That's why MMORPGs continually add new content.

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We'll see how things are when I hit 50.
Wait a freaking minute... Leveling is so easy that it's "handed to you on a gilded plate" and you're not even 50? What? If it's so easy, WHY HAVEN'T YOU DONE IT?

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reaperkeepet
01.18.2012 , 05:40 PM | #55
The reason there are so many level 50s is because they spammed the game for 24 hours - nights on end dude... >.> Also, review your information, it takes 200+ hours to get to level 50. It is also not fair to THOSE of us that can't play 8 ours in one day - we just can't! If we did it would take us many moons to reach level 50. I myself am playing a steady 3-4 hours a day and I am loving it. Leveling is going smoothly but I just can't go around doing quests that require "Go kill 124422445533232 rebel scum, and return to me when you are done. (thankfully there are no fetchquests though " I'm more than happy with the way everything is set up now - PLEASE do not change it BW!!!
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Spongeyform
01.18.2012 , 05:46 PM | #56
I think the levelling is just fine, yes maybe it is slightly faster than other MMO's HOWEVER, that is more than made up with the cutscenes and story line - Bioware brought us an MMO about the story, its what Bioware does best is telling stories, those of you that can play 12 hours a day, good for you. I myself cant play very much as i work and have 2 children,but i enjoy the time i do get on there
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Saitada
01.18.2012 , 05:47 PM | #57
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They already added some in 1.1.
Yeah, adding content a month after release, doesn't bode well for a game, it SCREAMS that it is too easy to level.

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It does.
No it doesn't, you just don't have the ability to understand why.

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Something that takes over a hundred hours to accomplish isn't "handed to you". Tired cliches are tired.
A hundred hours. That's child's play designed for people with VERY short attention spans.

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Since MMORPGs have become a hundred times more popular since those changes, I'd say that no, you don't know what you're talking about.
Oh but yes I do. I've not stopped playing MMOS.. (obviously). I've just watched as their content has been designed more and more towards those with short attention spans or who always need that next bright shiny to keep them interested.


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You haven't beaten SWTOR yet, so what's the problem? I thought you could do it TODAY since it's all being handed to you "on a gilded plate". What's your excuse for not having done it then? hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm?
I have leveled several toons, on different servers actually. I originally rolled on a RPPVE server (and leveled a Jedi Sent to 23 before the game had even officially been released), but when the ques got longer than 20 minutes, I re-rolled on a straight (and newer) PVE server. Since then I have tried out several different classes to find one that I like, leveling them to 17-20 (and in one case a toon that was 28) in 3-4 (real) days. Then I decided to delete all my toons, and re-roll from scratch and start over as a Trooper. My trooper is 4 days 17 hours old, and level 33, most of which has been while standing doing nothing, and sending out my companions to get crafting materials.

If I can get a character to level 33 in 4 days and 17 hours, and not be even trying to level, then yeah, I'd say the leveling system is FAR to easy and FAR to fast

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That's why MMORPGs continually add new content.
They shouldn't need to add new content a month after launch, nobody should even be close to finishing the existing content. I.E. Leveling is too FAST and too EASY.

And the new content one month after launch is all the proof anybody needs to prove that point.

~Saitada

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Aloro
01.18.2012 , 05:48 PM | #58
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What is the point of bonus quests lines on planets when you out level them?
Variety.

If there were e.g. 1000 quests in game, and every quest gave 0.1% of the total exp needed to get to lvl 50, and if nothing else gave exp... then everyone would need to complete those same 1000 quests.

Instead of that, we have a situation where we might need 1000 quests, but the game provides us with 3000 (this is a fictional number and only intended for the sake of argument; I have no idea how many quests there are in game). Moreover, we have other ways to gain experience.

As a result, if I don't like Taris, I don't need to do any quests there, and I can still hit lvl 50. Sure, the class quests will move us all around the galaxy, but then they're supposed to; that's part of the point of those story arcs, to provide guidance for players in where to go at a given level.

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Caelrie
01.18.2012 , 05:50 PM | #59
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Yeah, adding content a month after release, doesn't bode well for a game, it SCREAMS that it is too easy to level.
Actually it's perfect.

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A hundred hours. That's child's play designed for people with VERY short attention spans.
And yet YOU haven't done it yet.

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Oh but yes I do. I've not stopped playing MMOS.. (obviously). I've just watched as their content has been designed more and more towards those with short attention spans or who always need that next bright shiny to keep them interested.
I don't really get your argument here. You seem to be arguing that people should pay for the privilege to work with little reward.


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I have leveled several toons, on different servers actually. I originally rolled on a RPPVE server, but when the ques got longer than 20 minutes, I re-rolled on a straight (and newer) PVE server. Since then I have tried out several different classes to find one that I like, leveling them to 17-20 in 3-4 days. Then I decided to delete all my toons, and re-roll from scratch and start over as a Trooper. My trooper is 4 days 17 hours old, and level 33, most of which has been while standing doing nothing, and sending out my companions to get crafting materials.

If I can get a character to level 33 in 4 days and 17 hours, and not be even trying to level, then yeah, I'd say the leveling system is FAR to easy and FAR to fast
Point stands. Getting 50 is something you said requires no effort and is just handed to you. Yet you haven't done it. You're either wrong or you're lying.

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Kaii
01.18.2012 , 05:50 PM | #60
I agree.

I managed to go from 49 - 50 by doing the last two Flash points. I hit 50 with the XP from
Spoiler
. It's pretty bad.
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