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Gunslinger is to weak compared to other classes

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Gunslinger is to weak compared to other classes

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Desgarden
01.25.2012 , 06:48 AM | #441
Quote: Originally Posted by Kuari View Post
Its clear people aren't using shatter shot then... or being engineer spec. 20% armor penetration is nothing to laugh at really. Not to mention the engineer tree stuff is largely tech.
Well, according to the tests some snipers did (the board has sometimes some really informative threads) you don't really get 20%. Why? The value you receive per armour point isn't linear and it seems you just shear off the tip of the iceberg.

If that's true...no idea, I did not testing. However, that would explain some of the really low numbers I get on said target after using shatter shot on them.
Sith happens!

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Gwal
01.25.2012 , 06:52 AM | #442
Sorry mate, but I am seeing level 20 gunslingers get 300k+ damage in WZ's granted those guys are particular DPS hogs but there damage is anything but mediocre.

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Xenon-se
01.25.2012 , 06:54 AM | #443
Quote: Originally Posted by DestyOwn View Post
Rofl ??? Shatter Shots Reduces the armor by 20%... but the shield still absorbs/dodge everything. you probably dont play sniper.
Accuracy reduce risk to miss (all the way down to 0%) and the risk target successfully shield (all the way to 0% if you stack enough accuracy).

I find it pretty clear that BW intend for Marksman Snipers to stack a lot of Accuracy (and for Concealment Operatives to stack a lot of Tech).

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pEEtrsCZ
01.25.2012 , 06:59 AM | #444
Yet another thread full of L2P issues. C'mon guys, you whined a lot about how you can't get yourself to play GS properly, get over it and at least try to learn how to play GS! It's not the class what is having issues, it's you. I know, playing GS is quite hard, but definitely not impossible.

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MurderBunny
01.25.2012 , 07:06 AM | #445
Quote: Originally Posted by Xenon-se View Post
Sound as a L2P issue more than anything else.

You get a second quick-bar once you Crouch and Crouch is instant and does not trigger the global cooldown.

How about you put ALL abilities that require cover on that new bar and then, on the same slots and same key bindings, put the ability "Crouch" (not Take Cover!!!) on all slots while not in cover.

Good to bind Take Cover as well, but you dont need a "fast" key binding for it (like Alt-S or Alt-X). A good use of Take Cover is when you want to roll over the chasm during void star - before the bridge is out...
OH no we are all to gosh darn stupid to have ever done that. I did not setup the cover bar with my abilities at all i filled it with my speeders instead WOOPSY i guess every one, but you are to dumb to be alive.

Of course we did that, but the issue is cover breaks on some CC abilities even with hunker down because of the delay between activation and start of the ability so sometimes it dose not start and still goes on CD. Pulse push dose not work either at times, I hit cover, click 4 and nothing happens because cover is broken.

I get into cover and shoot at some one and instead of doing damage my ability breaks and my Aimed shot goes into CD any way while never firing.
Cover adds nothing to the class while making us more likely to die.

Stationery targets always get's targeted first.

OH and i am only Valor rank 40 because i play on a designated PvP server in EU and because of some dumb choices from some Spanish guilds we are now outnumbered by a TON and fight people i have known from Warhammer who are PvP masters. So many sorcs, so many BH and so many battlemasters.

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Kaptain_Kabul
01.25.2012 , 07:07 AM | #446
Quote: Originally Posted by Gwal View Post
Sorry mate, but I am seeing level 20 gunslingers get 900k+ damage in WZ's granted those guys are particular DPS hogs but there damage is anything but mediocre.All this and he was riding on a canonball and wearing a spiderman dress, pushing just one button
Fixed

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Xenon-se
01.25.2012 , 07:20 AM | #447
Quote: Originally Posted by MurderBunny View Post
OH no we are all to gosh darn stupid to have ever done that. I did not setup the cover bar with my abilities at all i filled it with my speeders instead WOOPSY i guess every one, but you are to dumb to be alive.

Of course we did that, but...
MurderBunny, you didnt actually read what i was replying too - did you?

Here, let me quote that part again. This time just for you MurderBunny.

Quote: Originally Posted by FINALBOSS View Post
Another issue is that even though cover is an "instant" ability, your brain still perceives it as a casted ability while you wait for your character to kneel and cover to pop up before you instinctively start shooting.
FinalBoss activate Cover and then he wait for the animation to end before his brain tell his body it is ok to fire. He is not the only one. If you read this thread you will notice at least six different people, some at rather high valor, that did not know you could hit Cover and then follow up with an ability - without waiting for a global cooldown or an animation.

This IS a learn to play issue. I gave him good advice (if you disagree, fine. I am happy to hear your counter-arguments).

However, there is NO reason why YOU should go all hostile because of my post. The post was not adressed to you. If you ARE going to reply; please try to do so in a civil, mature and polite fashion.

Thank you.

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Wrakk
01.25.2012 , 07:23 AM | #448
Xenon you never played a sniper/gunslinger so please, spare us of philosophising.

There is a reason sniper/gunslinger is least played class in game.

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Moolah
01.25.2012 , 07:36 AM | #449
Quote: Originally Posted by Xenon-se View Post
MurderBunny, you didnt actually read what i was replying too - did you?

Here, let me quote that part again. This time just for you MurderBunny.


FinalBoss activate Cover and then he wait for the animation to end before his brain tell his body it is ok to fire. He is not the only one. If you read this thread you will notice at least six different people, some at rather high valor, that did not know you could hit Cover and then follow up with an ability - without waiting for a global cooldown or an animation.

This IS a learn to play issue. I gave him good advice (if you disagree, fine. I am happy to hear your counter-arguments).

However, there is NO reason why YOU should go all hostile because of my post. The post was not adressed to you. If you ARE going to reply; please try to do so in a civil, mature and polite fashion.

Thank you.
The general ability delay issue strikes gunslingers the most as cover gets delayed aswell. Try an instant charged burst after taking cover. It isn't instant.

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LuthirFontaine
01.25.2012 , 07:38 AM | #450
Quote: Originally Posted by Xenon-se View Post
Sound as a L2P issue more than anything else.

You get a second quick-bar once you Crouch and Crouch is INSTANT and does not trigger the global cooldown.

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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH instant....o wait....you really think its instant...damn..well it takes a long time to get the damn thing to work...