To the "Nothing to do at 50" crowd.

Well see, I'll call them dungeons if I like. You're like the guy in Rift who corrects someone, "its shard, not server, get it right!" I liked Kaon under siege the first 15 times I did it. Kaon was one of the DUNGEONS I ran more often because I wanted the mount that comes from it. After running it about 20 times, getting the mount wasn't worth it anymore. Had it been something that actually progressed my character instead of fluff, I would have continued running it.

I didn't do thousands of mephisto runs on hellmode in D2 just for the sake of doing it. Doing it had a purpose of progression that made playing the game still satisfying. Its soo simple.

yeah and you sound like the guy i hated the most in world of warcraft,the guy who never shut his yap about loot the entire time i was in the heroic or raid with him

so I refuse to read thru all of the comments...so forgive me if this has been said....


awwww, aren't the new 50's cute!

*clap clap* you just did what everyone did in the first day of reaching lv50, congrats!

please REPOST this once
1) you have done the above for 12 weeks,
2) have 1400 fleet commodations for the imperial pilot set
3) and have cleared NM modes for weeks on end,
4) and have beaten HM False emperor without bugs on bounty hunter boss
5) no longer in your first month of the game
6) have best-in-slot rakata and realized rakata is FAR FAR from best in slot
7) are a War Hero or conquerer
8) have 12 million credits cuz you dunno whatelse you could spend money on.

and then provide incentives to resub.

I dont think you get what where saying though. First of all for ANYBODY incentive to run something > (greater than) no incentive to run something. Im fairly certain that is something everyone can agree on.

What we are saying is that, everyone would be happy if bioware added more incentives to run their content beyond the first week. And only some people who supposedly dont care about incentives when the entire end game solely revolves around gear progression are satisfied with running things without incentives, whereas everyone would be happy if there where more incentives. Honestly though yoou try running any of the hard modes 15+ times and tell me that your still interested in running them for no other reason then they are fun. Whats fun to me is progressing my character, and i would gladly run content ive done many times before to do so, as i do also think the content is fun but not so fun that i would repeat it over and over again for no reason.

Same story in WoW? What did you expect? something unique? Please, you can only do so much with an mmo, and in any case people will keep complaining.

Ok so let's get this straight .. you just hit 50 and did some raids and some dailies and some FP's .. ok so when you get into your 3rd month of doing the same thing over and over THEN come talk to us ...

I thought it was fun the first couple weeks after 50 too ... then reality kicked in.

What a waste of a thread.

I think the issue is just that MMOs have gone from a sandbox approach to the same approach single player games have, which is: everything has a cap and content can be beaten/finished.

Caps are like dangling carrots for players, if gives them an end goal to reach and all it does is push the player to play and work more on reaching that cap or beating that instance.

The main goal of the MMO is pretty simple: you join a few people and go beat a dungeon.

The only thing left this way is to move forward, to raise caps, add more beatable content, rinse and repeat. It's hard to expand the functionality of an MMO when all your focus has to go into adding more of the same content.

TOR is a very narrowminded MMO, all you do culminates into getting you into lvl50 flashpoints.
Crafting is trivial, you don't even have to travel to gather mats and everyone crafts the same gear, no challenge there.
There's no exploring, planets are just streamlined to level and repeat dailies at 50.
There's really just the repeating of flashpoints

I had a crafter toon back in SWG, all she did was hunt down the best mats and craft the best possible gear I could. You could make lots of money and a name for yourself, as the quality of the final armor or weapon depended on the quality of the collected mats.
Mining all the stuff, creating the smaller parts that made the gear etc was a whole game by itself.

Every now and then she would go into what passed as raids there without having to worry about the undeveloped fighting skills, or would join a hunting or exploring group.


Imagine you could craft speeders in TOR (which you can) but also imagine you could affect their speed or durability before you get knocked out when shot at, based on the quality of the materials and components used.
Same with weapons, slight damage or durability benefits unique to the batch created with certain mats.

Getting a crafting crit, or 'discovering' anything in this game if for everybody the same, and way too easy. YOu don't even have to leave the fleet or be online to max your crafting from scratch.

There's no crafting competition in TOR because like everything else, it's a trivial component of the game, the only thing that matters is your gear because the only thing there is to do is run the same Flashpoints, for which you want that gear.

Everything in the game is trivial compared to running flashpoints.
The other disciplines like crafting should be as playable and immersive as the fighting bit, that way people wouldn't run out of content.

I was hoping they would fuse Sandbox and WoW'ish game styles, but instead they went full reta... I mean WoW, and ended up with a very beatable and repetitive core.

A shame cause I'm enjoying what's there, but I know how I'm gonna feel about sitting in the fleet and run flashpoints from there once the first toon hits 50.

A troll can dream

Problem being you didn't look to see when he hit 50 and started the thread...in early-mid January?