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Sith code only works for the absolute top of the society.

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Sith code only works for the absolute top of the society.

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BigOleT
01.19.2012 , 07:57 AM | #41
I'm trying to wrap my head around what everyone is debating over here. I'm going to assume it's an arguement over which school of thought is more powerful than the other? Better for civilization? There are obvious real historical events that can say one is better than the other, but I'm going to try and bring this back to the OP's ideas. Again I assume he believes (and with good reason) that the Jedi code is more "effective" than the code of the Sith.

I'll start by stating the codes so i can analyze them like so many before me.

Jedi Code:

There is no emotion; there is peace.
There is no ignorance; there is knowledge.
There is no passion; there is serenity.
There is no death; there is the force.

This line of thinking takes years of experience learning to use the force.

1.) I find this to be the epitome of jedi-based theocracy. The seperation from emotion to gain peace seems nearly euphoric. This could only be reached through the force and only the very disciplined of jedi could ever reach this. This must be why jedi start their training at a very young age.

2.) Seperation of ignorance through knowledge, if knowledge is power, is the jedi's strength. The ability to know, gives the strength to defend their peace.

3.) If there's a flaw in the code it's that passion is somehow not an emotion. Perhaps it's put there because it is the strongest of the emotions. Passion (which we'll get to later) seems to be the greatest paranoia of individual jedi.

4.) This is the religious part of the code and ties all things together. A jedi flows with the force and uses the force as its ally to become a part of all things. The force is an extention of the jedi and they believe they eventually become it.

TL;DR: Jedi need discipline, get high on peace, are mindful of their passions and believe they do the force's will.

Sith Code:

Peace is a lie, there is only passion.
Through passion, I gain strength.
Through strength, I gain power.
Through power, I gain victory.
Through victory, my chains are broken.
The force shall free me.

1.) Peace is a lie is somewhat odd and I believe is the inherent inner-destructive nature of the Sith. The passion, however, I think is a beautiful way of defining the Sith. They are always depicted as being violent, cold-blooded and cruel. They are. Though true Sith code honors passion, not neccessarily violence.

2.) Passion gives the Sith their strength. They rely on passion to manipulate what they want from the force. This in turn gives them easily-accessible, exploitations of the force given the primitive nature of passion.

3.) Through the strength of their ability to bend the force in ways this is the source of their power. I think this is why the Sith believe that their ideals are stronger. Because they use the force to do their will it seems to them to be the stronger and more "powerful" method. And it may be.

4.) Through their power potential they gain victory in the force. The Sith believe that they have overcome that which makes up the universe and are therefore superior beings. This may give insight into their almost "spoiled brat" demeanor. The power over all things will ultimatley give them nothing but victory according to the code.

5.) Through victory the chains are broken. The chains of what have been a large debate but I think it could be anything. The biggest problem I feel in this happens to be that they must have a master. The master is therefore a chain and must be broken in some form.

6.) The force shall set me free. This is the spirit of the Sith. The freedom to do as they please because of their complete control over everything around them.

TL;DR: read it, it was more interesting.

There are obvious flaws in both lines of thinking. Given that the Sith eventually have make sure there are only two at once makes it pretty apparent for them. Though their strength is somewhat easier to tap and I think would benefit the Jedi. Afterall that is how Luke defeated Vader (someone might say different but I still believe Vader was
stronger).

The Jedi prevail in their numbers because they rely on eachother as a whole. Though they become bound too strictly to their beliefs in certain things and sometimes meditate when it's better to ignite a lightsaber. They are also completely paranoid about emotions and specifically passion.

On the other hand Sith kill eachother out because of their power-blinded recklessness rather than thinking ahead. Notice the Darths that "become" are cunning and willing to wait for the right time to use their unbridled strength/freedom.

I love them both but they both have it wrong.

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ereler
01.19.2012 , 08:47 AM | #42
I'm too lazy to read whole thread and am sorry if anyone made this joke already...

Occupy Dromund Kass?

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tausra
01.19.2012 , 09:01 AM | #43
Rule of Two isn't in place yet. The point of the debate is whether or not the SIth Code is applicable for all levels of Sith Society, not just the ruling elite. I was clarifying the Sith code for people who found it short-sighted.
"Sith, children of Sith, warriors everywhere, I declare a new Empire, open to all who long for conquest, freedom from inhibition and the right to follow their passions." -Emperor Malgus