People who ninja for their companions

Even better idea, how about you gear up your companion on an alt and try it yourself?

I am not going to take my time to do that stuff to convince closed-minded people on the internet. You can figure it out yourself.

Ignore , just ignore every player who does that , it is simple , i wish i could ignore all chars a player has at once ...

Great, so you're just another troll who won't put his money where his mouth is. Who'da thunk it?

I've already figured out that players > companions when running heroic content in this game. Apparently, you still need to learn this.

And WHY do you do the group stuff? Because you want those points and the gear to make your character better. EVERYTHING in a mmo boils down to you, the individual player. Even if you were to be in a guild and make a point of gearing up specific mains that you know will be there for a while, there is still a selfish component to that as you know gearing them up will help you down bosses quicker and get you loot quicker.

As for comraderie, the best comraderie I ever had in a mmo was in SWG before the hologrind, and there were no raids in that game, seeing as raids are the primary reason people even form guilds nowadays. Having done wow raiding with good guilds doing heroic end-game content, I know for a fact there's nothing about comraderie with end-game instances and loots, at least for the vast majority of players out there. If people aren't putting out enough dps or are new to the guild and not learning an instance fast enough, they'll be booted without a second's though and labeled a baddie. When the loot drops people bicker over it. Where's the comraderie in that? There might be some exceptional situations where people have played together for years, and yeah there's comraderie there, but they are just as I said....exceptional situations, not the norm.

I think you need to look at mmos the way they are, and not the way you want them to be. MMOs are elitish, selfish, and cruel, and no amount of wishful thinking is going to change that.

Surely then your rules should be limited to raid gear and not pugs?

Also, what if I have no intention of raiding and prefer to be soloing and dailies etc. My Companion is every much a part of my character as anything else?

I do NOT need to waste my time trying to prove something to you that is utterly self-evident. If you don't want to learn it yourself, that's your problem.

This is why I don't do World Bosses with PuGs. I'll wait until my guild is online, thanks. I don't roll Need for stuff for my companions. I roll Greed and count myself lucky when nobody Needs it and I happen to win the roll. Unfortunately most people have less consideration for other players than I do and unfortunately when you PuG you have to deal with them.

The reality is this;

I've seen people rolling need for items on every MMO I've ever played and then seen that item go for sale in trade channel within minutes. Even on ToR.

When I join a PuG of any kind, I know this is likely to happen. I don't know any of the players from a hole in the wall. When they roll need, I have no idea if they actually need it or they roll need hoping to to win, to sell or to disenchant.

Additionally in ToR we have companions, in immediate use or not, they are part of our daily/nightly game play and we rely on them.

So rolling need to gear a companion has merits. I know people don't like that, but the reality is, it has merit. Like someone said above, maybe the MMO community on ToR just have to accept, that's the way ToR plays. It has a player mechanic that is not anywhere else, therefore, your standard accepted rules do not apply.

Lastly. If I help bring down a boss, I am just as entitled to roll need on anything that drops as anyone else is. If I win and you can use the item, you have the option of asking me to sell it to you. I helped, therefore I am entitled to, without me helping the PuG would have failed.

In saying all that, I'm what peeps nowadays call a care bear player. I have no need for raids or flashpoint or anything else. I play for my own amusement. I've done my raiding time, I want an easy life. Part of that for me is helping others. If someone needs help with a 2+ or 4+ I'm going to help them, and let them loot everything.

But if I'm in an open world PuG, you can bet on it, if we win, I'm rolling need regardless. I helped, I'm entitled to it.

Silly argument is silly. Warning, HUGE wall of text.

Irrelevant. A companion may be part of the solo experience, and may even be part of a particular flashpoint. But a companion does not require upgrades from any FP or Operation to be fully effective. MULTIPLE people have challenged anyone to point out an instance where content can't be completed by a companion in greens that are often offered as mission rewards, this point has been ignored because everyone knows no companion needs blues or purples.

This line of argument is invalid for a second reason -- everyone has multiple companions. Logically there is no reason why you can't imply needing on literally everything if a companion can use it, even through you only use one at a time. Given this, the entire need/greed system would be completely useless.


Except that isn't the case.

Consider why they implemented need/greed in the first place. The implication is that, due to the way loot tables are constructed, there will be instances where a given piece of gear is more optimized towards one class than another. Example: an assault cannon drops. It has +aim and +endurance. It is clearly intended for a Trooper to use. No one else CAN use it. If there are no commandos in the group, then everyone rolls greed and everyone has a fair shot at it. If there are, however, then by giving everyone a "fair shot" , one person is losing out more comparatively than the others. If a Jedi loses the roll he is not diminished in any way, he can't use it anyway. If the Trooper loses it to another trooper, then the trade off is also even.

Taking this to companions, sadly, we are left with the ugly realization that a companion's performance is not heavily impacted by critical gear to the same level as that of a PC. Furthermore, the "equal chance" thing implies that all people can use gear equally, which is patently false. It's not "valid" to imply the retardation that would result from claiming all companions let you have a "need roll" somehow invalidate the basic point of the need/greed system, rather that clearly need cannot be implied to be a right of companions.


Except you are basically cheating. If I don't subscribe to your rules, then I have the right to need for myself if I can use something. But your rules allow you to need if you can use, or if your companion can use it. It's like having two votes in an election.

Following your logic the whole 'roll/pass' system will simply devolve into a situation where no one wants to PUG at all, and where guilds operate master looter systems and apportion gear to those who can use it best, and people like you get locked out of the guilds because of this alternative view of reality. Saying that the stat allocations make it useful for a Sith Warrior but that your IA has a right to it simply because you feel you have a right to it is the very definition of selfishness -- want without consideration to the impact on others.

*arches eyebrow* If 3 people in a group disagree with your looting metric, and you do it anyway, you are determining how we upgrade our character. That's why people like you should form your own guilds and groups to avoid friction with the majority of players.

This has been completely disproven : there is no situation in game where a companion has to have blues, purples, or oranges to succeed. Period. The fact that you want to upgrade your companion as much as possible is fine -- but do it off the GTN.

The minute I am far less effective because you want to gear your companion up in a manner that will literally make me heal for 500 more but them heal for 20 more is the minute your contribution to any OP or FP is outweighed by your potential cost. I would much rather wait an extra five minutes for a healer with a loot strategy that is more along my lines than gimp myself for who knows how long because some ninja looter with a good command of argument and English has conned people into believing that an NPC is on the same need scale as another PC.

I don't mean to be demeaning...but I can solo gold mobs by myself without my companion , on my healer, my dps and my tank, at 15 , 30 and 45. Do you click? Is your character built well? Are you even geared correctly? While there are classes that need a companion more than others (Sorcs, Snipers their mirrors come to mind) , my sorc never bothered putting Khem Val in anything but greens except one blue I greeded on. And I never , ever struggled except when I pulled more than I could handle.

The argument is *invalid* , and if it is the linchpin of your logic it is very simply discouraging to think people are this ... bad. You don't need purples on your companion to make them effective. The fact that you think you do only confirms to me that , and I am not trying to be insulting, but, honestly, you can't even play that well.

Now, granted -- if this is what you are encountering, then it explains why you have a desire for this sort of loot model. If you are struggling with two silvers and only your companion keeps you alive, then yes, you probably feel they are vital. But that is not the absolute case.

And you are rejecting a social contract that most people accept. In the real world I believe we call people who ignore long-standing and widely accepted social contracts sociopaths. The impulse behind rejecting social contracts is that some how they shouldn't be binding on you because you didn't chose to accept them. The problem is they benefit everyone, and most people rejecting them would get upset if they had the tables turned.

If you need on something for your companion, I will need on everything you roll on, I will see no problem killing your mobs to rack up my own "kill x enemies" quests, I will loot your bags while you fight the connected boss, and there's nothing you can say because the idea that these things are wrong are also social contracts. The idea that some how one can simply claim the rules don't apply is one of the most appalling and unnerving indicators of just how ... inward looking our society has become.

You're saying I can't stop you. I agree. But I won't say that you are right. Merely that I will disassociate myself with you.

And that is the problem. This idea that it's okay to cause someone else to lose out because what you want is more important.

You clearly can't see it, and I feel very sorry for you as a result , because one doesn't develop a mindset like that in a game without it having manifested in real life.

I love it when people reduce themselves to relying on circular argument and reductions to the absurd to justify their points because they can't defend a point. Your argument come down to "It's MINE and you can't stop me from hitting need and it's none of your business lolz!" , which is the argument of a pedantic child. Thus, people espousing it get treated as such.

Stop posting about this stuff on the forums. You will hear from both sides. One will say "Whaaa my companions my soul mate ; ; he needs gear to!" The other side will say "If the companion wasnt there, he doesnt get jack!". Both sides are right, just dont expect to ever group wth me if you are from the first group. Or if you do, god I cant wait for your delicious tears when I win something for your main, then vendor it with Screens.