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Yoda failed ...


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Vikassi
01.12.2012 , 11:34 PM | #1
In rots, yoda had his chance to end the emperor, or future emperor, but he failed ... Obi wan did his part ... Had yoda defeated darth sidious, anakin would have died on mustafar ...

But then we wouldnt have seen the coolest sob to walk the systems ... Vader ... Hail to yoda ...

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Wolfninjajedi
01.12.2012 , 11:35 PM | #2
Yoda couldn't anyway, it wasn't his destiny the force wouldn't let him. In fact only Anakin could kill Palpatine, those that tried to couldn't the force wouldn't let them do it or it wasn't their destiny.

Mace vs Palpatine- Anakin shows up and cuts off Mace's hand.

Yoda vs Palpatine- It wasn't his destiny

Luke attacking the emperor in ROTJ- Vader blocked his strike

So it all boiled down to only Vader being the only one to kill him.
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Drahh
01.13.2012 , 01:40 AM | #3
wasnt yoda's fault, It was Lucas's.

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TheLaggyOne
01.13.2012 , 03:10 AM | #4
It's sad to think he probably would have won if he hadn't been blown off that platform.

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Rhyltran
01.13.2012 , 03:20 AM | #5
Quote: Originally Posted by TheLaggyOne View Post
It's sad to think he probably would have won if he hadn't been blown off that platform.
Nope. He couldn't have won. Sidious manipulated him into that position and just prior to being blown off the platform he had his lightsaber knocked out of his hand. Not to mention Sidious wa splaying with him.

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TheLaggyOne
01.13.2012 , 03:25 AM | #6
That's true. It just looked like the Emperor was getting scared when Yoda was countering the lightning right before he was blown off. But I'd forgotten about his lightsaber.

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ozirizo
01.13.2012 , 03:57 AM | #7
Quote: Originally Posted by Rhyltran View Post
Nope. He couldn't have won. Sidious manipulated him into that position and just prior to being blown off the platform he had his lightsaber knocked out of his hand. Not to mention Sidious wa splaying with him.
Canon wise it's:

Movies > EU (wich includes books)

All of your argument is based on EU, wich is debatable if it's really the same thing we actually see at the movies.

I can agree with the Force not letting Yoda win, destiny and stuff.

But Yoda lacking the power to defeat Palpatine? Come on.
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DarthNevrohs
01.13.2012 , 04:02 AM | #8
I really dont like that scene, it feels like Yoda gave up way too easy. You could see Yoda was stronger than palpatine and would've been able to defeat him eventually. Maybe Lucas should've added some injury to Yoda after his fall but nothing like that is implied.

It could've been done so much better with a little more thought and planning.
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Rhyltran
01.13.2012 , 04:20 AM | #9
Quote: Originally Posted by ozirizo View Post
Canon wise it's:

Movies > EU (wich includes books)

All of your argument is based on EU, wich is debatable if it's really the same thing we actually see at the movies.

I can agree with the Force not letting Yoda win, destiny and stuff.

But Yoda lacking the power to defeat Palpatine? Come on.
He did. Movies > EU when there's a contradiction. Can you prove that the movies contradict the book? Can you prove, without a doubt, that Sidious wasn't toying with him? Or for that matter if he did happen to die he couldn't just switch to a younger more powerful body? In what way does the movies contradict these points? Yoda was much weaker than Palpatine. It's Canon. Even Leland Chee confirmed it and he was hired specifically to ensure that Canon meshes.

As I pointed out to you in another thread. Yoda's lightsaber was knocked from his hand. Sure, you claimed he could just use the force to pull it back up but first he'd have to locate it. It fell an awful long way and he'd have to survive long enough to get to it. You can't even claim he caught Yoda off guard. I mean, when he leapt away from the podium he was looking around for Yoda. Yoda leaps up and raises his saber and Sidious quickly turns and fires force lightning which forces Yoda to drop his saber. Yoda couldn't even block it with his saber.

From there you don't know how much countering Sidious lightning took it out on him. You don't know how much it took it out of Sidious. What we do know is Yoda left. Sidious did not. Sidious was willing to continue fighting. You can claim "The script called for it.." that argument can apply to anything. Why did enemy A kill enemy B? The script called for it. Yes the script called for it. The script called for Yoda to lose to Sidious. It's Canon.

Then you argue this point and go "Well I disregard the EU." Fine. You disregard the Eu. Then don't come in these threads debating this subject. EU is Canon. Sidious being more powerful is Canon. The movies only contradict EU canon when EU canon contradicts the movies. There is no contradiction. Sidious dies and comes back in a younger more powerful body.

You admit it's debatable. If it's debatable there's no clear contradiction. If there's no contradiction. Then it's Canon.

For anyone that's actually interested in the novelization and Leland Chee's thoughts on the matter..

Leland Chee

""Inside the spacious interior of the Galactic Senate chambers, Yoda challenged the Emperor. The two entered into a spectacular duel -- a contest between the most powerful practitioners of the Force's light and dark sides. The Emperor proved too powerful to defeat. Though Yoda held his own for much of the duel, in the end, the Sith bested him. He realized that directly confronting the Sith would be doomed to failure. Defeated, Yoda slinked away into the shadows of the Senate chamber's cavernous depths, leaping into a waiting getaway speeder piloted by Bail Organa."

And the novelization..

There came a turning point in the clash of the light against the dark.

It did not come from a flash of lightning or slash of energy blade, though there were these in plenty; it did not come from a flying kick or a surgically precise punch, though these were traded, too.

It came as the battle shifted from the holding office to the great Chancellor's Podium; it came as the hydraulic lift beneath the Podium raised it on its tower of durasteel a hundred meters and more, so that it became a laserpoint of battle flaring at the focus of the vast emptiness of the Senate Arena; it came as the Force and the podium's controls ripped delegation pods free of the curving walls and made of them hammers, battering rams, catapult stones crashing and crushing against each other in a rolling thunder-roar that echoed the Senate's cheers for the galaxy's new Emperor.

It came when the avatar of light resolved into the lineage of the Jedi; when the lineage of the Jedi refined into one single Jedi.

It came when Yoda found himself alone against the dark.

In that lightning-speared tornado of feet and fists and blades and bashing machines, his vision finally pierced the darkness that had clouded the Force.

Finally, he saw the truth.

This truth: that he, the avatar of light, Supreme Master of the Jedi Order, the fiercest, most implacable, most devastatingly powerful foe the darkness had ever known...

just--

didn't--

have it.

He'd never had it. He had lost before he started.

He had lost before he was born.

The Sith had changed. The Sith had grown, had adapted, had invested a thousand years' intensive study into every aspect of not only the Force but Jedi lore itself, in preparation for exactly this day. The Sith had remade themselves.

They had become new.

While the Jedi--

The Jedi had spent that same millennium training to refight the last war.

The new Sith could not be destroyed with a lightsaber; they could not be burned away by any torch of the Force. The brighter the light, the darker their shadow. How could one win a war against the dark, when the war itself had become the dark's own weapon?

He knew, at that instant, that this insight held the hope of the galaxy. But if he fell here, that hope would die with him.

And the above is true. Even after Return of the Jedi. Sidious returned. Cutting him down. Destroying him. None of that worked. It took another Jedi's sacrifice and forcing Sidious to become one with the force to end him for good. Cutting him down didn't work. Blowing him up doesn't work. You couldn't beat him in combat.

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ozirizo
01.13.2012 , 04:27 AM | #10
Quote: Originally Posted by Rhyltran View Post
Lot's of words, some nonsense.
I think you're mistaken with the guy you're talking to (seems like you think you have read some of my answers before), might be a good idea to double check first hehe.

Can you provide us with a link with an official statement to back up what you're saying?

The thing is, books can be wonderful and bla bla bla. But movies are open to any interpretation. You say I cannot prove wrong, but neither can you.

All I know is this: at the movie's fight scene

- Yoda mocks Palpatine
- Yoda overpowers Palpatine force vs force

According to what we see at the movie:

- Palpatine has longer arms

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You admit it's debatable. If it's debatable there's no clear contradiction. If there's no contradiction. Then it's Canon.
ROFLCOPTER

Your ignorance just made my day.

Tell that to Colombus and every other human in the world who proved your silly logic is in fact, WRONG.
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