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Republic Vs. Empire


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DMOMO
01.21.2013 , 07:05 PM | #41
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he used popular, disfigured and based on propaganda model of Third Reich, not much connection with reality.

Empire illuminates with infinite wisdom of the Sith while republic rots from the inside thanks to scourge known as democracy and jedi actvities
Lol

Infinite wisdom of the Sith?

Lol

The Sith would and have killed for fun and are not above killing subordinates or their higher ups for more power. If anything the Sith rot the Empire away. The non force users seem to hate and/or fear the Sith because of all the power they have.

I must note that my troll senses are tingling.
"They always lock the door. You’d think they’d have learned by now. Doesn’t look like there’s a key – that would be too easy. The console to unlock the door is probably hidden in some room twelve floors up or something… how does that make sense?"
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Surinen
01.21.2013 , 07:15 PM | #42
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Lol

Infinite wisdom of the Sith?

Lol

The Sith would and have killed for fun and are not above killing subordinates or their higher ups for more power. If anything the Sith rot the Empire away. The non force users seem to hate and/or fear the Sith because of all the power they have.

I must note that my troll senses are tingling.
of course, Sith with their sorcery and alchemy are much more superior over jedi scum

Didnt see such things in SWTOR, but yes, accidents happen. "above", well semantics, they are not below to hesitate on killing them if they want power then they kill them, but regular soldiers do it more often. The non force users seem to love Empire and the Sith, of course that there are exceptions, those who lost their mind and those who revoked their right to existence, in both cases meaningless flesh material that can be fed to beasts in slave pens. Law of the Empire is much more realistic in its fundaments.

also, a mere jedi is much more responsible for death and mayhem than most of the Sith you probably have ever seen. by their inaction, their indolence they capture enemies alive, enemies break loose and kill much more. How many lives could be saved if a Jedi gut a noble Sith, many? many more ?
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SithKoriandr
01.21.2013 , 07:23 PM | #43
Quote: Originally Posted by Surinen View Post
of course, Sith with their sorcery and alchemy are much more superior over jedi scum

Didnt see such things in SWTOR, but yes, accidents happen. "above", well semantics, they are not below to hesitate on killing them if they want power then they kill them, but regular soldiers do it more often. The non force users seem to love Empire and the Sith, of course that there are exceptions, those who lost their mind and those who revoked their right to existence, in both cases meaningless flesh material that can be fed to beasts in slave pens. Law of the Empire is much more realistic in its fundaments.

also, a mere jedi is much more responsible for death and mayhem than most of the Sith you probably have ever seen. by their inaction, their indolence they capture enemies alive, enemies break loose and kill much more. How many lives could be saved if a Jedi gut a noble Sith, many? many more ?
Many more lives may be saved, but then people would be calling them judge, jury and executioners and basically monsters for doing it and then they'd just be persecuted by the masses.

It's like with Batman. Sure he could kill the Joker. And everyone might wonder why he doesn't. But the minute he did, he'd get looked at as evil by all of them "OMG! I can't believe he did that." Not to mention, just because the Jedi takes the Sith in alive, doesn't mean someone else couldn't have kill the Sith mid transport "Oooops! He tried to escape!"

The Empire is a failed society due to how they act. You're still alive after this big mess?! *Kills all survivors*

The fear of that happening doesn't make better soldiers, it makes for more terrified and more likely to defect soldiers. And it makes for a smaller army period. Republic should be winning on numbers alone by that point, especially considering the Republic can go "Oh hey look! Freedom! Join our side aliens!"

Though, for a story that's suppossed to be basically about good vs evil, I think TOR went a long ways to try to make the Empire feel less evil than the Republic.

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Surinen
01.21.2013 , 07:33 PM | #44
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Many more lives may be saved, but then people would be calling them judge, jury and executioners and basically monsters for doing it and then they'd just be persecuted by the masses.

It's like with Batman. Sure he could kill the Joker. And everyone might wonder why he doesn't. But the minute he did, he'd get looked at as evil by all of them "OMG! I can't believe he did that." Not to mention, just because the Jedi takes the Sith in alive, doesn't mean someone else couldn't have kill the Sith mid transport "Oooops! He tried to escape!"

The Empire is a failed society due to how they act. You're still alive after this big mess?! *Kills all survivors*

The fear of that happening doesn't make better soldiers, it makes for more terrified and more likely to defect soldiers. And it makes for a smaller army period. Republic should be winning on numbers alone by that point, especially considering the Republic can go "Oh hey look! Freedom! Join our side aliens!"

Though, for a story that's suppossed to be basically about good vs evil, I think TOR went a long ways to try to make the Empire feel less evil than the Republic.
they would become Dredd, and that is fine, monster is over emotionally attached word that mostly describe people who are above petty weaknesses of common folk. Also nobody would ever go after Jedi who killed a Sith, and why would they. well yes, Batman is another example of how terrible storytelling can be and how innocent people are sentenced to die because of one mans sick self moral restrictions.

Empire society is fairly happy and I doubt that they would like to defect, soldiers of the Empire are loyal and every day of the Empire is simply normal, people live their lives. Maybe, simply, Imperials are over all much more intelligent and dont want to participate in pathetic democracy and republic failures and corruption.

Killing survivors may serve well Empire, dependsing on what they have seen or how they have performed. Imperial officers and soldiers dont tolerate failures.
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Emperor-Norton
01.21.2013 , 10:39 PM | #45
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Many more lives may be saved, but then people would be calling them judge, jury and executioners and basically monsters for doing it and then they'd just be persecuted by the masses.

It's like with Batman. Sure he could kill the Joker. And everyone might wonder why he doesn't. But the minute he did, he'd get looked at as evil by all of them "OMG! I can't believe he did that." Not to mention, just because the Jedi takes the Sith in alive, doesn't mean someone else couldn't have kill the Sith mid transport "Oooops! He tried to escape!"

The Empire is a failed society due to how they act. You're still alive after this big mess?! *Kills all survivors*

The fear of that happening doesn't make better soldiers, it makes for more terrified and more likely to defect soldiers. And it makes for a smaller army period. Republic should be winning on numbers alone by that point, especially considering the Republic can go "Oh hey look! Freedom! Join our side aliens!"

Though, for a story that's suppossed to be basically about good vs evil, I think TOR went a long ways to try to make the Empire feel less evil than the Republic.
Stop feeding the very obvious troll.

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Lavariusstar
01.21.2013 , 11:29 PM | #46
I've seen how both sides are and seen how their societies are.The empire seeks to bring order and stability to the galaxy but they rely on brute force and deception and demand that everyone bow down to their rule.The Republic also seeks order and stability but also encourages freedom and diversity among themselves.Each side truly wants to make the galaxy better but they go about it the wrong way and in turn have brought great strife upon the galaxy.I prefer the republic due to my preferences of a democracy and my preferences for the idea of diversity,but I understand and sometimes sympathize for the empire.But I do not enjoy nor tolerate their acts and their tactics,but I should expect nothing less from a society where Sith are supreme and everyone else is subservient
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Surinen
01.22.2013 , 06:59 AM | #47
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Stop feeding the very obvious troll.
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I've seen how both sides are and seen how their societies are.The empire seeks to bring order and stability to the galaxy but they rely on brute force and deception and demand that everyone bow down to their rule.The Republic also seeks order and stability but also encourages freedom and diversity among themselves.Each side truly wants to make the galaxy better but they go about it the wrong way and in turn have brought great strife upon the galaxy.I prefer the republic due to my preferences of a democracy and my preferences for the idea of diversity,but I understand and sometimes sympathize for the empire.But I do not enjoy nor tolerate their acts and their tactics,but I should expect nothing less from a society where Sith are supreme and everyone else is subservient
Empire is freedom, freedom from corruption of democracy, freedom from delusional rule of simpletons known as mob and regular citizens whos intelligence is only dozen points above monkeys. Empire offers grand advancement of civilisation, throu conflict and expansion - the most effective way. Empire illuminates its citizens with a master morality, from a mere citizen, thro soldier to the Sith Lords. They are united in one cause; supremacy of the Empire, yet they remain free to live their lives however they want. Empire is a freedom itself
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SithKoriandr
01.22.2013 , 08:04 AM | #48
Quote: Originally Posted by Lavariusstar View Post
I've seen how both sides are and seen how their societies are.The empire seeks to bring order and stability to the galaxy but they rely on brute force and deception and demand that everyone bow down to their rule.The Republic also seeks order and stability but also encourages freedom and diversity among themselves.Each side truly wants to make the galaxy better but they go about it the wrong way and in turn have brought great strife upon the galaxy.I prefer the republic due to my preferences of a democracy and my preferences for the idea of diversity,but I understand and sometimes sympathize for the empire.But I do not enjoy nor tolerate their acts and their tactics,but I should expect nothing less from a society where Sith are supreme and everyone else is subservient
I don't think the Empire wishes to bring order and stability to the galaxy. At least not the upper tier rankings of it, and as the Empire will kill their own command structures for failures, some will kill just because they were looked at wrong or because you're not Human/Sith. And even those who may think something is wrong within the Empire, tend to change their tune when they're given power.

Republic however has their own problems and just because the Republic as a whole is generally good, doesn't mean they all are.

To sum it up:

The Empire = Absolute power corrupts absolutely.

The Republic = With great power comes great responsibility.

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BrianDavion
01.22.2013 , 08:21 AM | #49
the empire DO wish to bring order and stability. but there's a certin conceit to their belvie in ut. they belvie if everyone just shut up, listened to them and did as they where told. things would be great.

the Sith empire is on a whole, Lawful evil, to use a D&D alignment. (although many of those running the show are chaotic evil. which is an intresting dichotomy in and of itself)

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Surinen
01.22.2013 , 08:23 AM | #50
Quote: Originally Posted by SithKoriandr View Post
I don't think the Empire wishes to bring order and stability to the galaxy. At least not the upper tier rankings of it, and as the Empire will kill their own command structures for failures, some will kill just because they were looked at wrong or because you're not Human/Sith. And even those who may think something is wrong within the Empire, tend to change their tune when they're given power.

Republic however has their own problems and just because the Republic as a whole is generally good, doesn't mean they all are.

To sum it up:

The Empire = Absolute power corrupts absolutely.

The Republic = With great power comes great responsibility.
Empire itself is a stability and order, so whenever it grip reaches, subjects become part of order. Killing for failures is essential to get rid of weak and useless material that may cause even bigger havoc if spared. Sith does not kill for the wrong look, unless it is in public, and someone openly disrespect them, manifestation of power is required. Those who think that something is wrong are usually less intelligent people with weak characters that want to be equal with others just for the sake of it, typical and dangerous.

Absolute power rarely leads to corruption, but such statements are well known for people who try to remain within heart of corruption in democratic states of Republic. It is ill propaganda manufactured to liking of simple folk who feel entitled to rule their countries whenether they cant count to 10 or are simply idiots ( rarely individual agrees to his intelectual limitations ).

Republic is based on corruption, semi mob rule where senate live on bribes. Republic is negation of advancement for the sake of unnatural ideals.

only the most intelligent, powerful and with proper personality people deserve to rule ( about 1% of whole population ) - and that is The Sith Empire, place where everybody seeks challenge, advancement and further development.

The Sith Empire, place that you want to die for ( and most probably you will )
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