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I feel a bit sexist for saying this, but there are too damn many female leaders.

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I feel a bit sexist for saying this, but there are too damn many female leaders.

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Rayla_Felana
01.12.2012 , 12:45 AM | #11
Since when did gender have anything to do with with a person's capabilities? and considering the massive difference in how many women there are in the EU, males are still WAY far ahead of women in this, get over yourself.

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Duradel
01.12.2012 , 01:03 AM | #12
Quote: Originally Posted by Rayla_Felana View Post
Since when did gender have anything to do with with a person's capabilities? and considering the massive difference in how many women there are in the EU, males are still WAY far ahead of women in this, get over yourself.
Great reading comprehension you have there. I had no complaints about the abilities of these leaders, I even like most of their characters. I just hate that they're distributed so that all the Empire leaders are male and all the Republic leaders are female.

But have fun on your soapbox.

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HakkyounoTenshi
01.12.2012 , 01:15 AM | #13
I think I understand where you're coming from. Since current human society is and has traditionally been a male dominated culture, it can be jarring to see a situation where the leaders are exclusively female. I am a girl and I find it a bit jarring as well.

That being said, I do appreciate the fact that there are a good number of females in power. Being a female gamer can be very depressing at times because a good portion of the woman you encounter in games are heavily sexualized. Not as much now, because the gaming industry finally seems to realize that female gamers do exist. I'll get off my soapbox now, but I admit that I do find the Republic's situation a bit refreshing.

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Kashaan
01.12.2012 , 01:23 AM | #14
Quote: Originally Posted by Duradel View Post
Great reading comprehension you have there. I had no complaints about the abilities of these leaders, I even like most of their characters. I just hate that they're distributed so that all the Empire leaders are male and all the Republic leaders are female.

But have fun on your soapbox.

That's a simple answer: The Empire is bigoted, and they're being portrayed as such.


Though I would argue your premise as well: Many of the Sith leaders are female. You're right that most of the Officers are male, but there's still plenty of female Sith.

Likewise, there are still plenty of male leaders in the Republic as well, especially within the military.
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Rayla_Felana
01.12.2012 , 01:30 AM | #15
Quote: Originally Posted by Duradel View Post
Great reading comprehension you have there. I had no complaints about the abilities of these leaders, I even like most of their characters. I just hate that they're distributed so that all the Empire leaders are male and all the Republic leaders are female.

But have fun on your soapbox.
You're differentiating between Genders, the very title and description of your own problem with this states you dislike the fact there are so many Female Leaders, as if there is some difference in capability between the two, an individual's own capabilities should be the reason behind their station not their reproductive organs.

To be annoyed by something so trivial is ridiculous, once again, get over yourself.

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Game_Hermit
01.12.2012 , 05:26 AM | #16
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A couple spoilers ahead regarding Revan and the Bounty Hunter storyline ahead, just FYI.




So when this chapter of the storyline started, we had the main Empire figures being Emperor Vitiate, Malgus, Keeper (for intelligence), and Mandalore (for the Mandalorians).



On the Republic side, we had Satele Shan, in charge of the Jedi Order, General Garza, in charge of the most elite Republic forces and the face of the Republic military, and Supreme Chancellor Janarus. Later on we got Revan, who i was excited about, believing he was going to play a major role in leading the Republic.

I felt there was something wrong with the Empire gender ratio, but I always liked that the Republic had a nice even half and half ratio of guys and girls.



:Spoilers now:

Later, I find out that the Empire casually kills both Revan and Janarus, preventing Revan from EVER leading and having Janarus replaced with Governer Saresh from Taris (I believe).

That means all the Empire leaders are guys (those still living) and all the Republic leaders and females.

Why? Are you trying to say something about the masculinity of the Republic, Bioware? You couldn't stick a girl in charge of Intelligence or replace Janarus with a strong male character?

I feel sexist for saying it, but it needed to be said.
It's really wierd, because Lucas apparently hates women. There's a serious lack of strong female characters in the movies, as hilariously pointed out by Cracked. http://www.cracked.com/video_18249_w...ing-women.html I do approve of the better treatment of (virtual) women in SWTOR though.


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Since when did gender have anything to do with with a person's capabilities?
Last time I checked the WNBA has had literally 2 dunks, ever. Just putting that out there.
Han shot first.

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darthpit
01.12.2012 , 05:37 AM | #17
*SPOILER*



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dont get us started on revan...still pissed about that!
Call me stubborn, his health didn't hit zero thus he's not dead >.<

I refuse to believe that a man that could kill a Lord of the Sith (Malak) who was consuming the life force of Jedi all around him during the fight... was then killed by riff raff...

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Cozur
01.12.2012 , 05:40 AM | #18
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It's really wierd, because Lucas apparently hates women. There's a serious lack of strong female characters in the movies, as hilariously pointed out by Cracked. http://www.cracked.com/video_18249_w...ing-women.html I do approve of the better treatment of (virtual) women in SWTOR though.



Last time I checked the WNBA has had literally 2 dunks, ever. Just putting that out there.
I doubt George Lucas hates women.

I agree with the OP, it seems to me that forcibly putting women into any scenario just for the sake of gender equality is the worst form of sexism. I'd be able to relate to the story much more if we had less female characters in the game, not because I'm sexist, but because the real life armies of history and today are almost exclusively male.
I don't have an explanation for this, though I suspect it has something to do with males being built with a much larger capacity for physical distress, such as lifting heavy guns and stuff.

You might say that Star Wars is a fictional world, and as such real life norms to do not apply, but it's a backwards argument, we might as well have everyone being able to fly then.

Quote: Originally Posted by Rayla_Felana View Post
You're differentiating between Genders, the very title and description of your own problem with this states you dislike the fact there are so many Female Leaders, as if there is some difference in capability between the two, an individual's own capabilities should be the reason behind their station not their reproductive organs.

To be annoyed by something so trivial is ridiculous, once again, get over yourself.
Excuse me, but calling "get over yourself" while raging about the OP being sexist, is well...

Get over yourself.

Of course there are differences in capabilities between males and females, not on a mental plane, but definetely on a physical, as already stated above.
A world where everyone was equal surely does sound great, but we have to be realistic. As Game Hermit said, women can't dunk. Just as men can't give birth.

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Rayla_Felana
01.12.2012 , 06:19 AM | #19
Quote: Originally Posted by Cozur View Post
I doubt George Lucas hates women.

I agree with the OP, it seems to me that forcibly putting women into any scenario just for the sake of gender equality is the worst form of sexism. I'd be able to relate to the story much more if we had less female characters in the game, not because I'm sexist, but because the real life armies of history and today are almost exclusively male.
I don't have an explanation for this, though I suspect it has something to do with males being built with a much larger capacity for physical distress, such as lifting heavy guns and stuff.

You might say that Star Wars is a fictional world, and as such real life norms to do not apply, but it's a backwards argument, we might as well have everyone being able to fly then.



Excuse me, but calling "get over yourself" while raging about the OP being sexist, is well...

Get over yourself.

Of course there are differences in capabilities between males and females, not on a mental plane, but definetely on a physical, as already stated above.
A world where everyone was equal surely does sound great, but we have to be realistic. As Game Hermit said, women can't dunk. Just as men can't give birth.
The Samurai, acknowledged as the greatest warriors ever seen ruled for nine hundred years and used women in combat regularly, some of the greatest archers and Naginata riders were women, some of the greatest warriors in Samurai history were women, you really want to debate Women in the military with a woman who was training as a Samurai for nearly her entire life till the age of twenty two?

Also, claiming strength has anything to do with how good you are in combat is nothing but an exercise in futility, Skill is what is required in combat, not strength, you can be as strong as you want but if you don't have the skill and knowledge to use that strength, i guarantee you'd find yourself on the floor crying after picking a fight with someone who does know their ****.

And as a matter of fact, if you bothered reading, you'd realise the OP IS being sexist, he's just trying to cover it up with some half-assed attempt at recognizing equality.

And hell just for the sake of it, Plenty of women have shown that they can be just as strong as men can be, it isn't that they lack the physical capabilities, its that most women seek beauty first and foremost, the will to be strong for men is a very different picture, they want to be strong.

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Game_Hermit
01.12.2012 , 06:23 AM | #20
Quote: Originally Posted by Cozur View Post
Of course there are differences in capabilities between males and females, not on a mental plane, but definetely on a physical, as already stated above.
There are mental differences too. For one thing it's been proven that women are generally better at multitasking. Guys have a higher pain tolerance, except during labor when a woman's body produces chemicals that give her a superhuman pain tolerance. I can think of a few other examples too.
Han shot first.