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LFG Tool is NOT Needed


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Bigguyonarock
01.11.2012 , 09:26 PM | #61
Quote: Originally Posted by NoiseTankXIII View Post
Maybe you should start doing a survey. Lot's of people aren't doing it. I'm pretty sure you are aware of that. Why aren't they doing it? Because nobody looks at it. I would be honestly curious to the reaction you would get if you were to say in the middle of the /1 LFG/M spam 'Hey guys check out the LFG tool!'.

I'm willing to bet 5000 credits you will get A) mocked, B)vague interest 'oh hey he's right. thats cute... LFM-' or C) silence.



The tool is bad. It is bad because it isn't visible, requires the user to fiddle around windows and tabs and input stuff. I know that's an affront to most tech-savvy technological savants around here including me but that's the way the Republic ship flags.

Hilariously enough, the LFG tool is even less social than LFG/M spam.
A majority of players don't need to need to look at it. They just need to check the little box, set the comment and go on their way. If you're of the minority of players who are willing to take a leadership role (however minor) and form a group, then checking list every now and then might be for you.

I'd be interested to see what type of person would mock someone for making them aware of a useful in-game function. Vague interest is better than ignorance, and Silence is a common answer to most things said in General Chat.

The tool is bad. It's not obviously visible. But it's not hidden either. We're not navigating through the bowel's of EVE's UI here. The tool shares a window with /who.

Type /who and you're at the LFG tool. Easy as that.

Hopefully BW polishes it further. But right now, how about instead of saying "BW needs to add a LFG tool" we say "BW needs to improve the LFG tool". In the meantime let's fix the problems we can fix ourselves and educate the playerbase via word of mouth instead of waiting around with our thumbs up our ***.
This thread should be titled, "Irrational logic and how to form an opinion around it."

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Bigguyonarock
01.11.2012 , 09:28 PM | #62
Quote: Originally Posted by Teladis View Post
Oh you mean that same tool, that has not worked in other mmos? Ya, that is super lazy way of making a lfg system.


The Queue system works, It made MMOS better for many types of players. For them not to have it on a next gen MMO is laughable.
Laughably not that big of a deal. A queue system, while extremely convenient, won't make or break party forming.
This thread should be titled, "Irrational logic and how to form an opinion around it."

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Moricthian
01.11.2012 , 10:20 PM | #63
Quote: Originally Posted by Bigguyonarock View Post
Laughably not that big of a deal. A queue system, while extremely convenient, won't make or break party forming.
Wrong. I use the LFG tool BW provides and it does nothing. Every attempt that I've made over the last week to form a group for a flashpoint has failed. I've completely given up on them. At this point, LFG tool would be the only way I can do them.

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Xiaoki
01.12.2012 , 12:48 AM | #64
Quote: Originally Posted by Claymaniac View Post
I have come around to the idea of a LFG tool. As long as its same server of course. No need for cross server groups.
Same server LFD tool would be pointless.

Rift's LFD tool was originally same server only but then was quickly made cross server.

If you are on a lightly populated server then a same server LFD tool would be worthless.

If you are on at an odd time like 3am then a same server LFD tool would be worthless.

A LFD tool is only as useful as the pool of players it has to draw from. If you drastically limit the pool then you also drastically limit its usefulness. So, what would be the point of BioWare spending the time and resources in adding a LFD tool only to have it be worthless for half the day?

A same server LFD tool would only serve to draw contempt from both sides and please none.

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ferroz
01.12.2012 , 08:44 AM | #65
Quote: Originally Posted by Thamelas View Post
Here is why....

I played WoW for 7 years. Groups used to be great, especially when viewed throuygh rose tinted glasses. Then the groups started being not so great. Then an LFG tool was introduced and no real change happened.
Fixed (order of events)

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After the LFG tool was introduced people in groups also turned into asses about jsut about everything that didn't go their way.
No, they were like that long before the lfd tool was added; in nearly 1000 groups (split between several characters) though the lfd tool, I'd say the percentages is less than 2%

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Umbral
01.12.2012 , 08:50 AM | #66
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Quote: Originally Posted by Thamelas View Post

No, they were like that long before the lfd tool was added; in nearly 1000 groups (split between several characters) though the lfd tool, I'd say the percentages is less than 2%
Yup, I had 3 maxxed, and two mid range, and actively used the LFD tool. I can count on one hand the asses I had to deal with in all those runs. As opposed to here in this game, where I have one character to low/mid 30s and have already had 5 or 6 rotten experiences because of ******s in runs.

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Painstorm
01.12.2012 , 08:55 AM | #67
Quote: Originally Posted by Thamelas View Post
I played WoW for 7 years. Groups used to be great. Then an LFG tool was introduced...
Absolute nonsense!

I've had far more good groups than bad when using WoW's LFD tool.
Before it came, I had completely given up on doing instances on alts. After it was introduced, all my alts have done all instances, which has been great.

If you find it more fun to stand an hour on the space station spamming for group that never happens, we'll don't use the tool then. Simple as that.
Some of us actually enjoy questing and exploring, i.e. actually playing the game, while waiting for a group instead of just standing at the same spot looking at the screen, just hoping someone will answer your LFG spam.

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ferroz
01.12.2012 , 09:01 AM | #68
Quote: Originally Posted by Khoranth View Post
But if the LFD crowd only wanted fast groups, then why do they attack everyone's ideas for an LFG tool that remains server only?
Well:
  1. They don't; lots of people are pro lfd and pro-single server; I'd say around half of them. So saying that the lfd crowd in general is attacking the idea of single server is just not true.
  2. Some of the ones that aren't arguing for single server (I'd say the biggest group of these): they see the fact that single server lfd doesn't work in a lot of situations, primarily: low-mid levels, low population server, off peak times or combinations of these. They attack the idea of a single server lfd because they see it as killing the usefulness of the tool for the majority.
  3. There is group that is pro-lfd and anti-server boundaries. These people see the idea of individual servers locked off from each other as an antiquated concept, and are all for things that tears down those walls. This one's fairly small, but they exist. They attack single server lfd because is an necessarily arbitrary limitation that does nothing but make the tool less effective
  4. There's a group that isn't really pro-lfd or anti-lfd, and argue against the bad arguments on either side. Since the anti-lfd side has more of these, they get hit by this group. They attack the idea of a single server lfd because the people in favor of it don't actually have very good arguments. They stop attacking once you add a valid argument for your case, but if you continue to use bad logic, insults, rhetoric, and large font in pace of arguments you'll continue seeing them
  5. And then there's the tiny miniscule fraction of 1% that are griefers looking for a better way of griefing. They attack the tool because they want to grief.
It's possible that I missed a group.

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They attack LFG tool ideas because all an LFG tool does is provide fast groups, but it does not let these greifers behave anyway they want, so the greifers demand a wow copied LFD, with full griefer protections.
There's no significant increase in griefers between single server and cross server lfd. In both cases the rate is miniscule.

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RocNessMonster
01.12.2012 , 09:08 AM | #69
Quote: Originally Posted by Stuartrt View Post
WoW brought this in for the very reason it knew their client base which was very loyal was also getting older, they had less time to play as they now had other commitments such as GFs, families, babies work responsibilities and good old fashion fresh air and sunlight
Then why is the next expansion for WOW meant to appeal to children? Pokemons and Kung Fu Pandas, are those really supposed to appeal to adults? Blizzard knows that the adult base is moving away from their game (and frankly the genre).

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OMGMYNAMEISTAKEN
01.12.2012 , 09:17 AM | #70
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This is all the general chat is full of on the imperial fleet, no LFG too isnt promoting social interaction, it directly counteracts it since you cant talk in general chat cause of all the LFG spam (which unfortunately has nowhere else to go since there isnt even a LFG chat channel)