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World Ranking?


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Prixm
01.11.2012 , 11:45 AM | #1
Anyone know the actual ranking for progress? Feels like guilds are way wrong with their "We are world second!" Etc. Might be just me, but anyone actually know this?

Feels like there are hundreds of guilds out there that have killed SoA on Hard Mode, 8 and 16 man. If not more?
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Farabee
01.11.2012 , 11:48 AM | #2
Who cares. Soa and Bonethrasher are so buggy right now it's not even worth tracking progress, not to mention the EGA debacle.
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Prixm
01.11.2012 , 11:53 AM | #3
Quote: Originally Posted by Farabee View Post
Who cares. Soa and Bonethrasher are so buggy right now it's not even worth tracking progress, not to mention the EGA debacle.
Well for one, I care. And I'm not the only one. And doesnt matter if the bosses are buggy, still a legit kills.
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Jurugar
01.11.2012 , 11:56 AM | #4
Quote: Originally Posted by Prixm View Post
Anyone know the actual ranking for progress? Feels like guilds are way wrong with their "We are world second!" Etc. Might be just me, but anyone actually know this?

Feels like there are hundreds of guilds out there that have killed SoA on Hard Mode, 8 and 16 man. If not more?
Hardly hundreds - as far as I can tell, only 3-4 guilds have killed Soa hard on 16 man (Condemned, Nerf Dialogue, enVidia and BRB Bowflexing aka Ensidia if I'm not mistaken), maybe a few more depending on if anyone got him last night.

As for world rankings, the best anyone can do right now is work with other progression guilds to see everyone's timed ranks on individual kills. I dont think anyone is saying "we're the 2nd best guild in the world", but rather more something like "as far as we can tell, we're the 2nd group in the world to kill this specific boss". If no one else pops up with an earlier kill timestamp/screenshot, then the community accepts it as true.

To rank the guild themselves, we would need a much more complex system. How would world first 8 man nightmare annihilator droid count against, say, world first 16 man hard mode of the same boss?

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Prixm
01.11.2012 , 12:01 PM | #5
Quote: Originally Posted by Jurugar View Post
Hardly hundreds - as far as I can tell, only 3-4 guilds have killed Soa hard on 16 man (Condemned, Nerf Dialogue, enVidia and BRB Bowflexing aka Ensidia if I'm not mistaken), maybe a few more depending on if anyone got him last night.

As for world rankings, the best anyone can do right now is work with other progression guilds to see everyone's timed ranks on individual kills. I dont think anyone is saying "we're the 2nd best guild in the world", but rather more something like "as far as we can tell, we're the 2nd group in the world to kill this specific boss". If no one else pops up with an earlier kill timestamp/screenshot, then the community accepts it as true.

To rank the guild themselves, we would need a much more complex system. How would world first 8 man nightmare annihilator droid count against, say, world first 16 man hard mode of the same boss?
I say it's the same ranking. As in WoW, same ranking for 10 and 25 man. Ofcourse the last boss is bugged right now and gives 16 man version for 8 man in nightmare I heard. Or maybe it was nightmare gave hard mode Soa. But still, should be the same ranking. Shouldnt be anything different with 8 and 16 man as far as I get it.

I think it's kinda ridiculous to say "We are world 3:rd 16 man Soa HM" when there might be 10 other guilds that have downed him on 8 man. Just doesnt feel right to me. Should be the same ranking for both.
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Jurugar
01.11.2012 , 12:04 PM | #6
Quote: Originally Posted by Prixm View Post
I say it's the same ranking. As in WoW, same ranking for 10 and 25 man. Ofcourse the last boss is bugged right now and gives 16 man version for 8 man in nightmare I heard. Or maybe it was nightmare gave hard mode Soa. But still, should be the same ranking. Shouldnt be anything different with 8 and 16 man as far as I get it.

I think it's kinda ridiculous to say "We are world 3:rd 16 man Soa HM" when there might be 10 other guilds that have downed him on 8 man. Just doesnt feel right to me. Should be the same ranking for both.
You'd think so, but the 16 man content is significantly more difficult, either because of poor tuning or just physical limitations of the encounter (you have the same amount of room to dodge lightning balls on 8 man and 16 man soa, but now there are twice as many people and twice as many balls).

As it stands, it's looking like 16 man is going to be the basis for comparison, unless they change something in the next big patch.

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Prixm
01.11.2012 , 12:16 PM | #7
Quote: Originally Posted by Jurugar View Post
You'd think so, but the 16 man content is significantly more difficult, either because of poor tuning or just physical limitations of the encounter (you have the same amount of room to dodge lightning balls on 8 man and 16 man soa, but now there are twice as many people and twice as many balls).

As it stands, it's looking like 16 man is going to be the basis for comparison, unless they change something in the next big patch.
There is 4 and 6 balls on 16 man? I havent done 16 man myself, trying to recruit 16 good enough people but seems hard to get good people atm. So only done 8 man. But seems abit unfair to claim like server first, world 2:nd world 3:rd etc from guilds that do 8 man. But the 16 man guilds get them after the 8 man teams and still gets the "title" of beeing top 10 world etc. It's a very, very unfair system.
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Pintaphilly
01.11.2012 , 12:17 PM | #8
Keep in mind, many guilds don't even say a word of their progression, mainly because they don't care. Guilds that go about advertising their progression simply want some type of recognition, but the difficulty of HMs and Nightmare modes for the current operations are a joke compared to what WoW has offered. More people will start caring when Bioware starts giving us a real challenge with no bugs or horrible tuning.

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Yummymango
01.11.2012 , 12:23 PM | #9
Quote: Originally Posted by Pintaphilly View Post
Keep in mind, many guilds don't even say a word of their progression, mainly because they don't care. Guilds that go about advertising their progression simply want some type of recognition, but the difficulty of HMs and Nightmare modes for the current operations are a joke compared to what WoW has offered. More people will start caring when Bioware starts giving us a real challenge with no bugs or horrible tuning.
I agree with you sir.

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Jurugar
01.11.2012 , 12:36 PM | #10
Quote: Originally Posted by Pintaphilly View Post
Keep in mind, many guilds don't even say a word of their progression, mainly because they don't care. Guilds that go about advertising their progression simply want some type of recognition, but the difficulty of HMs and Nightmare modes for the current operations are a joke compared to what WoW has offered. More people will start caring when Bioware starts giving us a real challenge with no bugs or horrible tuning.
IMO you dont get to complain about the content being "a joke" until you clear it all yourself (on 16 man).

Also, please keep in mind that WoW has had over 7 years to produce memorable boss fights, while this is SWTOR's first; for every "good" boss WoW had it had at least 3-4 crappy ones.

Everyone remembers Archimonde as a good fight, but who thinks back with fondness about Rage Winterchill, Kazrogal, Antheron, or Azgalor (aka the entire rest of the instance minus Arch)? Everyone liked Kael'thas, but who could honestly say they found Void Reaver or Solarian to be challenging fights? You remember the good ones and toss out the bad ones - it's called "80's syndrome" (or at least it should be called that).

Quote: Originally Posted by Prixm View Post
There is 4 and 6 balls on 16 man? I havent done 16 man myself, trying to recruit 16 good enough people but seems hard to get good people atm. So only done 8 man. But seems abit unfair to claim like server first, world 2:nd world 3:rd etc from guilds that do 8 man. But the 16 man guilds get them after the 8 man teams and still gets the "title" of beeing top 10 world etc. It's a very, very unfair system.
It's actually 3 and 5, but still in the same space and with more people, so yeah. Theyre nerfing in it the patch, probably to 3 and 4 or 3 and 3 or something.

I dont necessarily disagree with you, but you do have to take into account that the majority of the "ranked" 8 man kills were achieved by the same guilds that are now pushing the 16 mans - they/we just did it in lieu of 16 mans before we had a full 16 max levels. That will likely not be the case in the next content patch, though.