DPS meters cause abuse and take away choice!

No longer fun FOR YOU. For me, the math side of games like this is a huge draw. I said in a different thread but I have min/maxed saves of Oblivion, Final Fantasy VI, etc because it's the kind of thing I like doing. Not for epeen but simply because it appeals to my nature to theorycraft. For you it may no longer be fun. But don't tell me it's not fun for me when I don't tell you what's fun for you.

The problem comes when you DO NOT kill certain boss :-/ Right now our clan is in the Soa boss and we cant kill him because we lack DPS. We have 1-2 suspects but we cannot confirm who's the one not doin his job correctly.
With a combat log parser its easy to know who's doin something wrong and we will try to help him gettin better gear, optimizing rotations or changing his spec.

If you're only doin Hard Mode Flashpoints probably you don't care about DPS. But when youre raiding hard/nightmare operations thats a different story

DMG meters, gear score, stat sheets... blah, blah, blah.

WoW was turned from an epic fantasy game into nothing more than a math test. LAME!

"Oh, if I spec this way, I'll gain 4.6% more dps... oooo, well I guess I better spec like everybody else so I can stroke my epeen on the meters and get a pat on the head."

If you can't stand not knowing if the ppl you're raiding with are up to your standards, maybe you need a reality check.

This times a million. And said in a much nicer way than I'd be capable of. This speaks so much truth..

Thanks and /thread

This is where dual-spec comes in to play I feel.

Because then, the OP can play his gimp spec because he likes it when not in Ops.
And play the actual worth a damn spec when he is in Ops.

And for the millionth time, without damage meters it is very hard to assess beyond obvious fails (dying to cleaves, standing in fire, knockback into poision, etc etc) where the problem lies. Not only for DPS but for healing as well.

Casual players don't like these tools because, like the OP stated, it makes them funnel into a certain play style. I guess this is a valid point.

But, think of it this way. There is literally no possible way to balance specs so that they are all viable. One will always do slightly more damage, have slightly more utility, and slightly more survivability and overall use then another.

Operations, in particular the harder modes (just like in WoW) are tuned so that these are taken into account. It's imperative that a player maximize his efficiency before combat. The rest is up to the player to make these talents and gear shine.

A meter allows raids to fix the problem. Whether that be helping a player out, changing the strategy a bit, realizing who is in desperate need of some gear upgrades, or in some cases removed from the group.

I think anyone used to raiding should understand their purpose.
/ENDRANT

So your favorite spec is a spec that doesn't do as much damage as possible... in a damage dealing role?..

Really?... Well ya, you don't deserve a raid spot then.

Who wants to be able to do X when you're supposed to do Y.... And how is that fun?

the moment i have to do research, outside of a video game, to play the video game...it is no longer fun.

You're right, IF you are not clearing the content then you have to look at why? I'm not disputing that DPS has a place, but simply that in most cases the cause of wipes in not lack of DPS, but rather becasue a person is not following the proper mechanics for a particular fight. You don't need DPS meters to fix those problems.

If you're being honest here, please answer me, in all your time raiding, seriously, how many times did you wipe because player X was putting out 5% less DPS then they were capable of, and how many times did you wipe because Player X stood in the fire, or didn't DPS the right add, etc? I think if you're being honest, a lack of DPS is usually one of the last reasons a raid fails.

Hahaha my god terrible post, you were a raider but you obviously weren't smart ~^

If you don't clear content then at first it's not because the dps race failed but someone didn't compelte the mechanic of encounter (died in aoe, didnt click somethign etc).

If encounter is a DPS race then it's blatantly obvious form the start [eghm brutallus], and if you can't clear it you then talk to people about improvements in gear, rotation - can ask them what they do.

Sorry if you raided with people who would lie to you or hide their mistakes - that's when you prolly need addons.

Fixed your post for you.