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Rolling need for your companion

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Rolling need for your companion

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Formorianman
01.10.2012 , 01:53 PM | #61
Quote: Originally Posted by Marlaine View Post
Given the role that companions play in solo play, it makes perfect sense to roll need for their upgrades. Sorry this bugs you, but that's the way it is. Only way to fix it is to marginalize companions.
Sry I nearly choked when I read this. Companions are marginalized... If you and your companion used the exact same gear would you give the highest level gear to yourself or your companion? Do you spend your money to buy the best upgrades for yourself first or your comapanion? Do you use your comendations to buy gear for yourself first or your companion first? Would you sacrifce your own character's progression so that your companion can be decked out in higher level gear then you are?

I think in all cases the answer is that you prioritise yourself over your companion and rightly so. Companions are A.I. and have no place in a flashpoints or operations. Priority goes to player characters not some A.I. pet. If you believe otherwise you should be the one announcing it at the start of every group and see how many people let you stay.

If you like solo play then by all means play solo, but don't come into my flashpoints to steal items to make your solo experience better without advising me first.

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ApolloAtlantis
01.10.2012 , 01:55 PM | #62
Quote: Originally Posted by Marlaine View Post
This is not "bad behavior". This isn't rolling for an alt, or for an offspec, or trying to ninja gear for reverse engineering or to be a jerk. This is rolling for a definative improvement of your overall character. You can't compare this to the "other game" because I can't even think of one mainstream mmo that has companion characters like they do in this game. It's a completely new paradigm. And you wanna talk about "ettiquette"? For goodnesses sake think outside the darn box.
Good luck trying to find a group after you're announced to be a ninja on General 24/7 after you try to pull something like that.

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Reldun
01.10.2012 , 01:56 PM | #63
Quote: Originally Posted by Formorianman View Post
Sry I nearly choked when I read this. Companions are marginalized... If you and your companion used the exact same gear would you give the highest level gear to yourself or your companion? Do you spend your money to buy the best upgrades for yourself first or your comapanion? Do you use your comendations to buy gear for yourself first or your companion first? Would you sacrifce your own character's progression so that your companion can be decked out in higher level gear then you are?

I think in all cases the answer is that you prioritise yourself over your companion and rightly so. Companions are A.I. and have no place in a flashpoints or operations. Priority goes to player characters not some A.I. pet. If you believe otherwise you should be the one announcing it at the start of every group and see how many people let you stay.

If you like solo play then by all means play solo, but don't come into my flashpoints to steal items to make your solo experience better without advising me first.
Agreed. Using a group dynamic to upgrade something that CAN'T be used in the group dynamic over a player who can is just freakishly wrong.

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Marlaine
01.10.2012 , 01:57 PM | #64
Quote: Originally Posted by Formorianman View Post
Sry I nearly choked when I read this. Companions are marginalized... If you and your companion used the exact same gear would you give the highest level gear to yourself or your companion? Do you spend your money to buy the best upgrades for yourself first or your comapanion? Do you use your comendations to buy gear for yourself first or your companion first? Would you sacrifce your own character's progression so that your companion can be decked out in higher level gear then you are?

I think in all cases the answer is that you prioritise yourself over your companion and rightly so. Companions are A.I. and have no place in a flashpoints or operations. Priority goes to player characters not some A.I. pet. If you believe otherwise you should be the one announcing it at the start of every group and see how many people let you stay.

If you like solo play then by all means play solo, but don't come into my flashpoints to steal items to make your solo experience better without advising me first.
I would say that during solo leveling play my companion does 35-40% of my overall damage. So yes I will gear myself out first, but that does not at all diminish the need and benefit of appropriately outfitting my companion. Upgrading to a custom blaster on my companion and outfitting it with the best mods for the level made a HUGE difference in my overall DPS.

It is naive to underestimate the usefulness of companions in this game.

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Vydor_HC
01.10.2012 , 01:57 PM | #65
Quote: Originally Posted by Formorianman View Post
Sry I nearly choked when I read this. Companions are marginalized... If you and your companion used the exact same gear would you give the highest level gear to yourself or your companion? Do you spend your money to buy the best upgrades for yourself first or your comapanion? Do you use your comendations to buy gear for yourself first or your companion first? Would you sacrifce your own character's progression so that your companion can be decked out in higher level gear then you are?

I think in all cases the answer is that you prioritise yourself over your companion and rightly so. Companions are A.I. and have no place in a flashpoints or operations. Priority goes to player characters not some A.I. pet. If you believe otherwise you should be the one announcing it at the start of every group and see how many people let you stay.

If you like solo play then by all means play solo, but don't come into my flashpoints to steal items to make your solo experience better without advising me first.
I make no delineation between my char an my pets. Just like with any pet class in other MMO's I take care to make sure they are as strong as can be, because they are part of my class. With this game, BW has gone the extra step and made every class a pet class and allowed them to be geared just like your primary character. But in essence they are as much a part of your character as your blaster or light saber.

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ApolloAtlantis
01.10.2012 , 01:58 PM | #66
Quote: Originally Posted by Vydor_HC View Post
I make no delineation between my char an my pets. Just like with any pet class in other MMO's I take care to make sure they are as strong as can be, because they are part of my class. With this game, BW has gone the extra step and made every class a pet class and allowed them to be geared just like your primary character. But in essence they are as much a part of your character as your blaster or light saber.
Then go run the flashpoints with just you and your companion alright?

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Marlaine
01.10.2012 , 01:58 PM | #67
Quote: Originally Posted by ApolloAtlantis View Post
Good luck trying to find a group after you're announced to be a ninja on General 24/7 after you try to pull something like that.
Anybody who does that lacks critical thinking skills and is not someone I want to group with anyways. I can easily explain away their ignorance with more intelligent individuals.

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Aisar
01.10.2012 , 01:59 PM | #68
Loot rules should be established. Bring it up in the group before the run, even if you are not the leader of the group. If you do not do that then you have no reason to complain. Fortunately my healer can roll need on companion gear and have very little consequence if there is an immature player in the group who starts trouble.

Not everyone is so lucky.
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Vydor_HC
01.10.2012 , 01:59 PM | #69
Quote: Originally Posted by ApolloAtlantis View Post
Then go run the flashpoints with just you and your companion alright?
Nope. But flashpoints are only a very small percentage of my playtime.

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KippTabor
01.10.2012 , 02:01 PM | #70
Quote: Originally Posted by Marlaine View Post
This is not "bad behavior". This isn't rolling for an alt, or for an offspec, or trying to ninja gear for reverse engineering or to be a jerk. This is rolling for a definative improvement of your overall character. You can't compare this to the "other game" because I can't even think of one mainstream mmo that has companion characters like they do in this game. It's a completely new paradigm. And you wanna talk about "ettiquette"? For goodnesses sake think outside the darn box.
You're the one outside the box. You put AIs before humans whom you are interacting with.

This isn't the single-player RPG you're looking for.

That is all.
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