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Rolling need for your companion

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Rolling need for your companion

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Shillen
01.10.2012 , 05:16 PM | #361
Quote: Originally Posted by Eldren View Post
I get that it's frustrating to lose a roll on something you really want. It's the nature of an MMO.

This game can't have the same ideologies applied to it for looting that other MMOs currently do. The existence of companions, fully-gearable pets whose presence is assumed in the difficulty curve design for the 1-50 content, shifts things considerably. They're part of your character, a part without which you'd have a lot more difficulty.

If all you're going to do is group content from 1-50, then it isn't an issue.

It isn't an issue at 50th level when the paradigm of the game shifts, though you still require use of your companions during the daily solo quests.

You, the player, were in the Flashpoint or Operation, and you the player assisted in downing the boss. You have a right to stake a claim to any loot a boss drops as a result. You don't require other players' permission or approval to roll as you feel appropriate on a given piece of loot.

Courtesy likely demands that you ask first, but it's just that: it's a courtesy, not an imperative. There's no social contract in effect unless you personally agree to it.

Of course the naysayers, who mostly just want to improve their own personal chances of a given piece of loot going to them as much as possible, are going to pull out scenarios saying this approach will encourage people to roll Need on everything just to vendor it for a few credits, or other such arguments. They aren't incorrect. The presence of companions in this game mandates a much more sensible approach of Roll/Pass for non-class-specific gear; Need Before Greed just doesn't work in this paradigm.

Run the instance again. The item will drop again. You have the same chance as everyone else who rolls. Nothing can be more fair.
The fact is that player will benefit from it more than you will by giving it to your companion. That is all that needs to be said and any decent human being will not roll on the item when it's a much larger upgrade for someone else. It's selfish to roll on it, period. It's not a question of fairness, it's a question of being considerate to other people.

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Gohlar
01.10.2012 , 05:17 PM | #362
Quote: Originally Posted by Catch_TwentyTwo View Post
Gosh, everyone you say? All 2 million of em? That's a lot of people...
Heh why even post this.

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laparkuh
01.10.2012 , 05:17 PM | #363
Quote: Originally Posted by Aisar View Post
i was in the group. i will make whatever decisions i want regarding loot. thank you and have a good night.

Out of logical arguements so you're going to get defensive now Mr.Ninja? I'm sorry I offended you.

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HanzoV
01.10.2012 , 05:18 PM | #364
Quote: Originally Posted by Shillen View Post
The fact is that player will benefit from it more than you will by giving it to your companion. That is all that needs to be said and any decent human being will not roll on the item when it's a much larger upgrade for someone else. It's selfish to roll on it, period. It's not a question of fairness, it's a question of being considerate to other people.
The compassion/decency stance was tried several pages back, to no avail, sadly.
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JethroKirby
01.10.2012 , 05:18 PM | #365
I'm amused that this is even an issue. This isn't WoW where several classes share gear with other classes/specs. You shouldn't be able to need on something unless it is for your class. They could then add a companion option that had priority over greed (but not need) but that wouldn't be a big deal if they didn't.

It honestly seems that the devs were too busy trying to copy WoW to figure out whether those deprecated systems were even needed in their game.

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Aisar
01.10.2012 , 05:18 PM | #366
Quote: Originally Posted by laparkuh View Post
Out of logical arguements so you're going to get defensive now Mr.Ninja? I'm sorry I offended you.
You should be. I do not deserve to be put down by you are anyone else. I have opinions, and they are valid, because I think they are.
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Catch_TwentyTwo
01.10.2012 , 05:19 PM | #367
Quote: Originally Posted by Gohlar View Post
Heh why even post this.
Could ask you the same thing.

I was merely attempting to point out the ludicracy of your widely sweeping statement...
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laparkuh
01.10.2012 , 05:21 PM | #368
Quote: Originally Posted by Aisar View Post
You should be. I do not deserve to be put down by you are anyone else. I have opinions, and they are valid, because I think they are.

Shame not many agree with them huh? That's probably why your getting pretty defensive Mr.Ninja.... Oh well. Go have fun with that companion that you earned all that gear for! Because you earned it!...without help of any players besides you and your companion....

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EternalFinality
01.10.2012 , 05:22 PM | #369
For those who think your companion is just as important as another player, consider this:

I have a companion that uses the same armor as me (medium armor, str stat primary).

An amazing helmet drops. Better than what I have. Better than what my companion has. I win the helm. Do I:

1. Equip the helmet on myself

2. Equip the helmet on my companion.

And now you can see why your argument about the importance of companions is a farce.

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OsarionRDM
01.10.2012 , 05:22 PM | #370
Quote: Originally Posted by Cavi View Post
1. Find group
2. Establish ground rules before starting
3. ???
4. Profit
Bioware needs to implement a /random. Then just set Master Looter and have folks /random