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Rolling need for your companion

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Rolling need for your companion

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Blackfriar
01.10.2012 , 04:35 PM | #321
Quote: Originally Posted by Formorianman View Post
I was tanking Athiss last night on my powertech and the last boss dropped an amazing pistol that was head and shoulders above the one I had. Being grouped with two operatives and an assassin I was giddy to get such a nice upgrade.... Wait no, one of the operatives rolled need as well saying it was for his tank companion and then won the roll.... Everyone in the group called him a dirt bag or some other name and he soon quit the group.

Bioware should really implement a loot rolling system that reflects how players actually distribute loot and to prevent douche bags from rolling need on an item they can't even equip in order to give it to their companion, sell it, or other ridiculous endeavor.

Sorry to say it but Blizzard took many expansions to finally apply this restriction and the world has been a better place ever since.
First, I absolutely never roll on things I don't need. OTOH, if you were there at the fight, you took equal 'risk' of a wipe, gear-repair, etc. and you have, by the dint of your efforts, the right to roll for the gear. Even if it's just greed. Even if you roll 'need' when it's just 'greed.'

You were there. You earned a piece of that pie. You have an equal right.

Like I said, I choose not roll on things I don't need. But that's my choice in the social convention that I consider 'good manners.' But those are my good manners and I'm not going to impose them on others.

However, there is another side to it. And this side says, really, it's not wrong to roll on things because, by being in the fight, you EARNED YOUR CHANCE to get what dropped and only because there was some RANDOM SERVER ROLL giving you junk you're now getting shafted by the dev. Why shouldn't someone take it and sell it for the credits to repair? I see no adult reason to get bent about it... Sure, I see the 6-year-old-law-of-the-sandbox-inflexible-morality reason. But not an adult "Hey, we all worked hard, we all get an equal shot" and what happens, happens and what choices people make regarding loot rolls are the ones they make.

If you have a problem, as far as I've ever been concerned, it should be with the developers. They should put individually-bound tokens in these chests. Let you trade them in for the goods you want. Some MMOs do it that way. Everyone gets a token. You get enough of them and you trade them in for your sword, armor, blaster, whatever...

I will say, on the third hand, if you'd established the agreed-upon rules at the beginning and he/she violated them... You have every right to be upset. He/she breached his/her word and is an untrustworthy jerk.

But without rules clearly established from the beginning -- equal rolling rights for all. Even if it's just vendor trash in one person's hands and a life-saver in anothers.
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Aisar
01.10.2012 , 04:35 PM | #322
Quote: Originally Posted by Catch_TwentyTwo View Post
Well I don't want to group with them in the first place if they are only in it for selfish reasons. Perhaps they should run Flashpoints with their own guild?
Perhaps you should only ever do FPs with friends. Problem solved. I am not going to change what I do because you don't like it. Better get used to this kind of play or like I said, only ever play with friends.
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ChaosKnightV
01.10.2012 , 04:35 PM | #323
I never roll for a companion. Players come first even those in your PUG ; The only real way for Bioware to actually combat this problem is to make it easier to get companion gear.

Perhaps have a companion vendor which sells Legendary(modable) gear for companions just like there are alternative looks vendors. Have this gear linked to their Affection rating (better looking gear requires more affection). All you have to do is get the companion to say 2500/3000 affection and you can get customizable gear for em.

POOF!

No reason you should be rolling on gear in raids/flashpoints etc from this point on unless the piece of gear isn't wanted by anyone. (everyone rolls Greed)
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Aisar
01.10.2012 , 04:35 PM | #324
Quote: Originally Posted by laparkuh View Post
If you are taking loot from someone who can use, for yourself who can't, (companion doesn't count unless it helped on the kill), then the loot WAS ninja'ed....
No it was not. Your opinion of ninja'ing loot is not correct. PLEASE know what you are talking about beforehand.
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Tahana
01.10.2012 , 04:36 PM | #325
Quote: Originally Posted by ferroz View Post
Though it's kind of sad how watered down that term has become; taking a loot in a group with an innapropriate need roll is hardly in the same league as real ninjalooting (say standing invis on a raid bosses corpse and looting everything off of it without being in a group so noone can see you loot)
How could this even happen anymore?? The loot that drops is associated with the person or group of persons who killed it.. Not to mention that other than for world bosses everything is instanced to the group.
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Catch_TwentyTwo
01.10.2012 , 04:37 PM | #326
Quote: Originally Posted by Bekkal View Post
Protip: If you need a companion at all to do anything but group content, you're doing it wrong. Nothing in this game is that challenging.
Oh rly... Comment like this from the "PROs" just make me want to weyt my knick knicks...
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KippTabor
01.10.2012 , 04:38 PM | #327
I think that the people getting bent-out-of-shape over the use of the term "ninja" are revealing something about themselves without intending to do so...
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laparkuh
01.10.2012 , 04:39 PM | #328
Quote: Originally Posted by Aisar View Post
No it was not. Your opinion of ninja'ing loot is not correct. PLEASE know what you are talking about beforehand.


Well then Mr. Ninja...What's it called? =)

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Lomedae
01.10.2012 , 04:40 PM | #329
Quote: Originally Posted by Blackfriar View Post
I will say, on the third hand, if you'd established the agreed-upon rules at the beginning and he/she violated them... You have every right to be upset. He/she breached his/her word and is an untrustworthy jerk. .
Offtopic a bit but I had to butt in here. It's a board for a SF game, and I feel you missed an excellent opportunity to use a SF meme here. "On the third hand" would normally be "On the gripping hand". Look it up, keyword Niven :-P

I'll let y'all get back to this pointless flamewarring now, just had to bring in a bit of fandom.

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jhluo
01.10.2012 , 04:41 PM | #330
So I go to work during the day, while my wife is staying home cooking, cleaning, looking after the kids etc. Should the company pay my wife for making my life easier?

Flash point = your job.
Companion = your wife.

Your companion helps you level, but doesn't contribute to the flash point. No contribution = no pay.