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Wolfninjajedi
01.09.2012 , 08:23 PM | #1
It has, I really am getting rather annoyed with all these "tech hasn't changed in 3000 years" "why does everything look the same?" "Rabble, rabble, rabble" so I am here and making this thread about technology and how it has changed over the course of time. I will be going through each era from TOR to GCW and I will compare the technology as best as I can. Please note I will not be going through detailing every piece of tech, this will mostly probably be military hardware seeing as that is the foucs of pretty much all the movies and the story as a whole.

NOTE: Some tech isn't from the game, just in the general era of where the technology is.
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TOR era technology

1. Hammerhead Crusiers- These cruisers are able to make independent operations and was the workhorse of the Republic, it is armed with 4 dual heavy laser cannons, 2 turbo lasers, 2 quad lasers, 2 point defense cannons and 1 tractor beam. It has 4 ion engines and a 2.0 hyperdrive, it also carries 12 Aurek starfighters and 2 minstry class orbital shuttle aswell as various support craft.

2. Thranta class corvette- From the game they seemed to be armed with...9 turbolasers(speculations can't seem to remember exactly, if anyone knows tell me), with missile launchers.

3. Aurek class tactical starfighter- The primary republic starfighter used in the old sith wars, great galactic war, and new sith wars. Armed with 2 heavy laser cannons, 2 proton torpedo launchers with 6 torpedos also having a class 2 hyperdrive with shielding.

4. Republic Troop Transport- Just a large 4 legged troop transport, able to carry an entire platoon on the battlefield.
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Clone Wars era technology

1. Venator class Star Destroyer- A multi purpose ship, with 4 primary drive engines, 2 secondary and 2 tertiary engines. Armed with 8 dual heavy DBY-827 turbolaser turrets, 2 medium turbolasers, 52 point defense laser cannons, 6 tractor beams, 4 heavy proton torpedo tubes with 16 torpedos each. With shielding(equivalent to a victory 1 class star destroyer) and has a 1.0 hyperdrive with a class 15 backup. Carries 192 Alpha-3 V-wings or V-19 torrent starfighters, 36+ ARC-170s, 192 Eta-2 interceptors, 40 LAAT/i gunships, 24 military walkers, various shuttles and 1 pre-frabricated base.

2. Eta-2 interceptor- 2 twin ion engines, 2 laser cannons, secondary light ion cannons. Shields equipped and also has an astromech droid on board.

3. AT-TE- Heavy walkers, not only can transport an entire platoon of soldiers but also has great firepower making it a great asset in a full scale attack. Armed with 6 anti-personal laser cannons, 1 mass driver cannon also comes with an IM-6 medical droid and 2 AT-RTs.
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Empire(GCW era) technology

1. Imperial 1- class Star Destroyer- A warship serving as a command ship, carrier and destroyer. Equipped with 3 KDY- destroyer-1 ion engines and 4 Cygus Spaceworks Gemon-4 ion engines, also a KDY ISD-72x shield generator domes and a class 2.0 hyperdrive with an 8.0 backup. Armed with 6 heavy turbolasers, 2 dual heavy lasers, 2 quad lasers, 3 triple medium turrets, 60 Tiam & Bak XX-9 heavy turbolasers, 60 Borstel NK-7 ion cannons, 10 Phylon Q7 tractor beams.

Carries 48 TIE/In starfighters, 12 TIE/sa bombers, 12 TIE boarding craft, 8 Lambda shuttles, 15 Delta-class stormtrooper carries, 5 assault gunboats. 20 AT-AT walkers, 30 AT-ST walkers, 1 prefrabricated base. (NOTE: Did not put all of what an SD carries)

2. TIE fighter- SFS-ps4 twin ion engines, SFS-pw401 maneuvering jets, SFS L-s1 laser cannons.

3. AT-AT walker- heavy walker, able to transport 40 troops or more depending on internal configuration. Carries 5 speeder bikes, and can carry 2 AT-ST depending on internal config. Armed with 2 fire linked Tiam & Bak heavy laser cannons, 2 medium laser cannons.
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So there you have it folks, I know its long thats why I didn't put in a whole bunch of stuff but clearly technology has changed, especially warfare tech. You can mix and match whatever Old Republic fleet you want, and the Clone Wars era or Empire(GCW era) will flatten it outright no matter what.

The tech may not have changed drastically like were all thinking, or in looks but it has changed in function.

Function > Looks
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PartVI
01.09.2012 , 08:47 PM | #2
Yeah, but... You didn't really make any argument that the technology has improved. Whatsoever.

So I'd say the argument still stands that technology hasn't changed much at all. Unless you consider bigger ships a technological advancement? Even though bigger is almost always never better for military purposes.

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Wolfninjajedi
01.09.2012 , 09:30 PM | #3
Quote: Originally Posted by PartVI View Post
Yeah, but... You didn't really make any argument that the technology has improved. Whatsoever.

So I'd say the argument still stands that technology hasn't changed much at all. Unless you consider bigger ships a technological advancement? Even though bigger is almost always never better for military purposes.
It has improved, none of the TOR era ships have a secondary class hyperdrive, nor could carry half the stuff a Venator or Star Destroyer could. Little things have improved in technology. Walkers have too, the one up there for the TOR era only carries it doesn't have a multi function where it can lay down heavy firepower.

So yes technology has improved, not on a huge scale(which is what I said) but enough that it makes a difference.
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divinedoom
01.09.2012 , 09:43 PM | #4
also if you look up hyperdrive on the wikis it has vastly improved.
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PartVI
01.09.2012 , 10:41 PM | #5
On the 'wiki' isn't the movies or anything. Hyperdrives are plot devices that conveniently put you where you need to be and break down when you need to stay there.

If it's never demonstrated that they do anything else but that, saying they've improved is just... I digress.

What people mean is that the technology isn't visibly, appreciably better. There's still huge battleships that can fight an entire planet by itself, ultra convenient instantaneous space travel, communication anywhere in the galaxy and light swords that can cut through anything.

Maybe it's listed as 'better' in a technical manual or some character makes an offhanded comment to that effect but it all boils down to the portrayal of the technology. Which has been essentially the same every time it's been put to film, paper or a graphics engine.

In contrast, the real world has seen in roughly a century of progress, a transition from horse drawn vehicles to internal combustion engines and numerous other even more advanced methods of locomotion, computers that have shrunk in size from hundreds of tons to mere ounces with almost incomprehensible leaps in processing power and communications that started with hand carried messages or primitive visual signals to wireless communications that can put you in touch with an individual on the other side of the planet nearly instantly without a single wire between you.

So understandably, people's perception of the growth of technology is somewhat dilated. We expect more to have happened in this universe in SEVERAL THOUSAND YEARS.

To wit, the complaint stands. Get used to it.

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Seisaan
01.09.2012 , 11:43 PM | #6
Quote: Originally Posted by PartVI View Post
On the 'wiki' isn't the movies or anything. Hyperdrives are plot devices that conveniently put you where you need to be and break down when you need to stay there.

If it's never demonstrated that they do anything else but that, saying they've improved is just... I digress.

What people mean is that the technology isn't visibly, appreciably better. There's still huge battleships that can fight an entire planet by itself, ultra convenient instantaneous space travel, communication anywhere in the galaxy and light swords that can cut through anything.

Maybe it's listed as 'better' in a technical manual or some character makes an offhanded comment to that effect but it all boils down to the portrayal of the technology. Which has been essentially the same every time it's been put to film, paper or a graphics engine.

In contrast, the real world has seen in roughly a century of progress, a transition from horse drawn vehicles to internal combustion engines and numerous other even more advanced methods of locomotion, computers that have shrunk in size from hundreds of tons to mere ounces with almost incomprehensible leaps in processing power and communications that started with hand carried messages or primitive visual signals to wireless communications that can put you in touch with an individual on the other side of the planet nearly instantly without a single wire between you.

So understandably, people's perception of the growth of technology is somewhat dilated. We expect more to have happened in this universe in SEVERAL THOUSAND YEARS.

To wit, the complaint stands. Get used to it.
And what would you have change? Does the Star Wars universe need smaller computers? If you can already travel at the speed of light, what is there to improve? The only way weaponry can change is in design and utility like comparing muskets to assault rifles. When you've reached the pinnacle of technological advancement, you dont have much room for improvement aside from making current technology more efficient.

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Vecke
01.10.2012 , 12:49 AM | #7
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In contrast, the real world has seen in roughly a century of progress, a transition from horse drawn vehicles to internal combustion engines and numerous other even more advanced methods of locomotion, computers that have shrunk in size from hundreds of tons to mere ounces with almost incomprehensible leaps in processing power and communications that started with hand carried messages or primitive visual signals to wireless communications that can put you in touch with an individual on the other side of the planet nearly instantly without a single wire between you.

So understandably, people's perception of the growth of technology is somewhat dilated. We expect more to have happened in this universe in SEVERAL THOUSAND YEARS.

To wit, the complaint stands. Get used to it.
Respectfully, technology on earth has progressed rapidly over the past 100 years, because we're in a technological boom right now. However, for roughly 4500 years, technology was basically the same. A person in the dark ages lived with the same basic technology as an ancient Egyptian thousands of years before.

Our technological boom will eventually plateau, just as it probably did thousands of years earlier in Star Wars.

In short, it's not remotely unreasonable that in a galactic environment technology would stay roughly the same for 3000 years. The galaxy probably had rapid technological progress for a few hundred years after the advent of light-speed, but after that, it's perfectly logical that it would plateau. On earth, we went far longer than that without any significant progress.
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Vecke
01.10.2012 , 12:57 AM | #8
Of course, the most important reason technology is so similar in the TOR era is so it can still feel like Star Wars to the fans.
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fro_do_fraggins
01.10.2012 , 12:57 AM | #9
Quote: Originally Posted by Vecke View Post
Respectfully, technology on earth has progressed rapidly over the past 100 years, because we're in a technological boom right now. However, for roughly 4500 years, technology was basically the same. A person in the dark ages lived with the same basic technology as an ancient Egyptian thousands of years before.

Our technological boom will eventually plateau, just as it probably did thousands of years earlier in Star Wars.

In short, it's not remotely unreasonable that in a galactic environment technology would stay roughly the same for 3000 years. The galaxy probably had rapid technological progress for a few hundred years after the advent of light-speed, but after that, it's perfectly logical that it would plateau. On earth, we went far longer than that without any significant progress.
Even if I accepted the idea that a technological society would plateau for thousands of years, which I don't, there's no way it would retain the same aesthetics and politics over that period of time.

Star Wars is retro futuristic, as was Star Trek before it. I'm glad they kept the same look and all, but it's not particularly realistic. It just doesn't have to be.
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Vecke
01.10.2012 , 04:54 AM | #10
Quote: Originally Posted by fro_do_fraggins View Post
Even if I accepted the idea that a technological society would plateau for thousands of years, which I don't, there's no way it would retain the same aesthetics and politics over that period of time.

Star Wars is retro futuristic, as was Star Trek before it. I'm glad they kept the same look and all, but it's not particularly realistic. It just doesn't have to be.
Before I retort, let me say that I'm just debating this for fun. We both agree it really doesn't matter. They did it to hold on to the feeling of Star Wars and, really, of all the things that might be a problem for our suspension of disbelief, this ranks pretty low.

That said, I think it's perfectly logical to accept the possibility that technology would have plateaued. Even with our rapid rate of progress, there are areas we aren't progressing. We still drive around in cars with internal combustion engines (which I still feel ripped off about; it's 2012... where's my hovercraft!). There are tons of other examples, but the fact is, we're living in an anomaly of history. In all of human history, the explosion of progression we're seeing is so recent that we can't make any assumptions. I'm not saying technology in that galaxy would definitely plateau, I'm just saying it's perfectly reasonable to accept that as a realistic possibility.

As for aesthetics, I completely disagree that there's "no way" it could happen. Today, we still have fashions that look exactly the same as the ancient Egyptians. We have cars that are - intentionally - identical to cars from the 1940's. Aesthetics have always been circular. I don't find that an impossibility in Star Wars.

And as for politics, I'm surprised you find that impossible. Our governments and political systems haven't really progressed since the advent of human civilization. We still use a Senate, something that existed for the Romans thousands of years ago. England has had a monarchy for centuries. And the argument that British royalty no longer has any real power actually supports the idea that it could exist in Star Wars, because that was pretty much the deal with the senate.

In short, I'm not saying progress in star wars is how it would be. I'm just saying - as rationalizations go - this one doesn't hurt my suspension of disbelief one bit. We are infants when it comes to progress. We have no idea how it would happen in a galaxy over the spans of thousands of years. To say one is less realistic than the other is just idle speculation.
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