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[Official High Resolution Textures Post] Can we get a clarification on this?

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[Official High Resolution Textures Post] Can we get a clarification on this?

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Armalas
01.11.2012 , 07:12 AM | #1001
Quote: Originally Posted by Darth_Sookie View Post
Surely none of this can be true? It just can't be true. Remote rendering? ***? Is this some kind of research project or something? It must be because i cannot find another feasable reason to why they would implement such a system.

Maybe Lucas Arts forced them to do some kind of convoluted system to protect it's assets or something? It's all very strange to me.

That sounds completely obscene to me.
There is no way I can get my head around the abstract thinking this 'logic' would involve.

If that's the case, make them downloadable, make me agree to a EULA stating I won't reproduce/redistribute and slap a huge lawsuit threat on top of it, just do whatever, but at least give us the soddin' textures.

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Tiron_Raptor
01.11.2012 , 07:16 AM | #1002
Quote: Originally Posted by -sasori View Post
Remote Renderer does not necessary mean it's outside your game client (PC).

Aside from that people already did partially reconstructed the file headers and did filelists of said containers. The textures are there on your drive.

Remote checking if you should see the better quality seems pointless and dumb. After all you are seeing the full model and low-scaled texture already.


After all this could be just another handler / subprocess to detach rendering from other processes. Which would be actual ...smart. Given how many other games chocke when faced with streaming high rez textures.
From the writeup, remote rendering is used to protect the MODELS not the textures. The textures might come into play with it if they're somehow impeding the remote rendering process, but that'd be about it.
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daMarek
01.11.2012 , 07:16 AM | #1003
Hey BioWare lets just skip all the drama and tell us it will be fixed in next week's patch, and we're cool.

Anything else and you'd be shooting yourself in the knee. Pun intended

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-sasori
01.11.2012 , 07:21 AM | #1004
Quote: Originally Posted by Tiron_Raptor View Post
From the writeup, remote rendering is used to protect the MODELS not the textures. The textures might come into play with it if they're somehow impeding the remote rendering process, but that'd be about it.
Which would make no difference to our topic about textures, because you do see the same model and not a better version during cut scenes. So either a dead lead about a system which should not bother us (with texture issues).

And if the "remote" render is the culprit because it somehows delays proper texture loading it needs to be fixed but the remote render isn't an issue per se.

I don't see how we can gain from this. After all BW should finally step up and get an ETA on a FIX.
What, wait - I don't even...

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thamightyboro
01.11.2012 , 07:26 AM | #1005
But it doesnt protect anything I'm sure as someone else mentioned that theres many out there who still have the beta assets on their external HD's as just copy and pasting the Bioware folder was the most efficient way to get the client on multiple computers.

I just last week deleted the folder from my external I'm gonna attempt a recovery and see if those remoterendeer files exist back then.
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Tiron_Raptor
01.11.2012 , 07:27 AM | #1006
Quote: Originally Posted by -sasori View Post
Which would make no difference to our topic about textures, because you do see the same model and not a better version during cut scenes. So either a dead lead about a system which should not bother us (with texture issues).

And if the "remote" render is the culprit because it somehows delays proper texture loading it needs to be fixed but the remote render isn't an issue per se.

I'm actually speculating that the reduction in texture quality is to reduce load on/caused by the remote renderer. If the high res textures somehow made it so that the remote renderer couldn't keep up, it would easily explain why they've chosen to disable them.

It would also explain why the people in beta didn't notice a performance hit: the beta client between the two weekend tests I did dropped in size by better than 10GB. If they didn't start using the remote renderer until the very end of the beta, and then disabled the high res textures simultaneously with adding the remote renderer AND removing a large chunk of the assets to the server... Also about the time the NDA was lifted wasn't it?
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LaVolpex
01.11.2012 , 07:31 AM | #1007
Quote: Originally Posted by Aisar View Post
I actually read..half of that (with that much text i am proud i read half).

basicly you said thisgame should look like it was made in 2012 and be amazing. yeah i agree. out of the 3 or 4 major reasons i unsubscribed this is one of them. game looks like junk.
u wont be missed then, fanboys and self entitlement junkies on this thread need to realize , software doesnt magically get fixed because you whine the loudest and threaten to quit, nevermind that they are not getting A SINGLE CENT OUT OF YOU YET REGARDLESS so your I QUIT rants are pretty stupid ...


yall need to learn some friggin patience, and also , you need to lear to play an mmo because of the SUBSTANCE not EYE CANDY .

I think its sad that people here act like blurry jedi tshirts are the end of the world and the game is downright unplayable because of it, you people make me sick

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Chemlak
01.11.2012 , 07:32 AM | #1008
To all those people raging at Stephen, I'd just like to say a few things.

Firstly, he's not a developer. He's not 100% up on all of the technical details involved. So he's trying to make sure that his response gets the okay from people who DO understand those details before he posts.

Two, he's fundamentally honest. While I doubt many people here have met him and gone out to dinner with him, it is unfair to ascribe malicious motives on the basis of our own fears. Yes, he has to toe the corporate line, but I trust his personal integrity enough to know that he would not LIE to us.

Thirdly, his job is essentially to make us, the players, happy. Or as happy as possible, even in the face of bad news. He is well aware that this means he has to provide us with accurate information that is as up-to-date as possible, so that if the news IS bad, he can explain what is being done to resolve it.

So, please, don't shoot the messenger for trying his damnedest to give us what we want and need to make an informed decision about our feelings towards this game and the company that develops it.

Give the man a break. He's one of the good guys.

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daMarek
01.11.2012 , 07:37 AM | #1009
Quote: Originally Posted by Chemlak View Post
To all those people raging at Stephen, I'd just like to say a few things.

Firstly, he's not a developer. He's not 100% up on all of the technical details involved. So he's trying to make sure that his response gets the okay from people who DO understand those details before he posts.

Two, he's fundamentally honest. While I doubt many people here have met him and gone out to dinner with him, it is unfair to ascribe malicious motives on the basis of our own fears. Yes, he has to toe the corporate line, but I trust his personal integrity enough to know that he would not LIE to us.

Thirdly, his job is essentially to make us, the players, happy. Or as happy as possible, even in the face of bad news. He is well aware that this means he has to provide us with accurate information that is as up-to-date as possible, so that if the news IS bad, he can explain what is being done to resolve it.

So, please, don't shoot the messenger for trying his damnedest to give us what we want and need to make an informed decision about our feelings towards this game and the company that develops it.

Give the man a break. He's one of the good guys.

His job is to take the heat, that's what he signed up for, and that's what he's getting. I'm sure it's not an easy job, but you gotta pay rent hey!

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Vlacke
01.11.2012 , 07:37 AM | #1010
Some of the people here really need to chill.
Many in this thread are being very constructive and are adding to quality discussion while some are just spilling their venomous poison and not having anything smart to say in the process, some of those probably didn't even notice this issue until they ran into this topic and are now immensely loud.

Bottom line is this will be fixed there is no doubt about it, it is just a question of when.
I for one don't have any problem with waiting for it to happen because i already enjoy this game.