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[Official High Resolution Textures Post] Can we get a clarification on this?

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[Official High Resolution Textures Post] Can we get a clarification on this?

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Adelbert
01.06.2012 , 02:55 PM | #1
*New Update 11/01/2012*

I'm getting this technical information from the user Lemon_King. It's really impressive what some users like him are finding inside the code:

Quote: Originally Posted by Lemon_King View Post
FYI: Did some mining, in the Renderer where it handles Dynamic Models - There is code for once it has all the textures for a Player / NPC Dynamic model is resizes the texture by 50%. So forcing MipMap Bias to -1 won't work around this issue.
However, a crafty dll Mod for RemoteRenderer could get around this issue by setting the resize to 1:1 instead of 1:2."

XML Data for Controlling Texture MipMaps in RemoteRenderer.dll @ 0x00096B60
Code:
<?xml version="1.0"?>
<TextureObject>
<MagFilter>Linear</MagFilter>
<MinFilter>Linear</MinFilter>
<MipMapFilter>Linear</MipMapFilter>
<UAddress>Clamp</UAddress>
<VAddress>Clamp</VAddress>
<WAddress>Clamp</WAddress>
<LODBias>0</LODBias>
<MaxMipMap>1</MaxMipMap>
<Compression>Color</Compression>
<Type>Image</Type>
</TextureObject>

Direct Dump from RemoteRenderer.dll @ 0x000944B9

Shader Function for Downscaling Textures
Code:
#ifdef PS_1_x.#define TEX2D( value ) tex2D( tex##value, In.T##value ).#define EXTRA_TEXCOORD( value ) float2 T##value : TEXCOORD##value;.#define CONSTANT_SCALE( value ) ( ( (value) > 2.0 ) ? 1.0 : ( (value) / 2.0 ) ).#define RESCALE( value ) value += value.#else.#define TEX2D( value ) tex2D( tex##value, In.T0 ).#define EXTRA_TEXCOORD( value ).#define CONSTANT_SCALE( value ) value.#define RESCALE( value ).#endif.sampler tex0 : register( s0 );sampler tex1 : register( s1 );sampler tex2 : register( s2 );float4 consta : register( c0 );struct VS_OUT{ float2 T0: TEXCOORD0; EXTRA_TEXCOORD( 1 ) EXTRA_TEXCOORD( 2 )};float4 main( VS_OUT In ) : COLOR{ const float4 crc = { CONSTANT_SCALE( 1.595794678f ), -CONSTANT_SCALE( 0.813476563f ), 0, 0.0 }; const float4 crb = { 0, -CONSTANT_SCALE( 0.391448975f ), CONSTANT_SCALE( 2.017822266f ), 0.0 }; const float4 adj = { -CONSTANT_SCALE( 0.87065506f ), CONSTANT_SCALE( 0.529705048f ), -CONSTANT_SCALE( 1.081668854f ), 0 }; float4 p; float y = TEX2D( 0 ).a; float cr = TEX2D( 1 ).a; float cb = TEX2D( 2 ).a; p = y * CONSTANT_SCALE( 1.164123535f ); p += (crc * cr) + (crb * cb) + adj; RESCALE( p ); p.w = 1.0; p *= consta; return p;}........#ifdef PS_1_x.#define TEX2D( value ) tex2D( tex##value, In.T##value ).#define EXTRA_TEXCOORD( value ) float2 T##value : TEXCOORD##value;.#define CONSTANT_SCALE( value ) ( ( (value) > 2.0 ) ? 1.0 : ( (value) / 2.0 ) ).#define RESCALE( value ) value += value.#else.#define TEX2D( value ) tex2D( tex##value, In.T0 ).#define EXTRA_TEXCOORD( value ).#define CONSTANT_SCALE( value ) value.#define RESCALE( value ).#endif.sampler tex0 : register( s0 );sampler tex1 : register( s1 );sampler tex2 : register( s2 );sampler tex3 : register( s3 );float4 consta : register( c0 );struct VS_OUT{ float2 T0: TEXCOORD0; EXTRA_TEXCOORD( 1 ) EXTRA_TEXCOORD( 2 ) EXTRA_TEXCOORD( 3 )};float4 main( VS_OUT In ) : COLOR{ const float4 crc = { CONSTANT_SCALE( 1.595794678f ), -CONSTANT_SCALE( 0.813476563f ), 0, 0.0 }; const float4 crb = { 0, -CONSTANT_SCALE( 0.391448975f ), CONSTANT_SCALE( 2.017822266f ), 0.0 }; const float4 adj = { -CONSTANT_SCALE( 0.87065506f ), CONSTANT_SCALE( 0.529705048f ), -CONSTANT_SCALE( 1.081668854f ), 0 }; float4 p; float y = TEX2D( 0 ).a; float cr = TEX2D( 1 ).a; float cb = TEX2D( 2 ).a; float a = TEX2D( 3 ).a; p = y * CONSTANT_SCALE( 1.164123535f ); p += (crc * cr) + (crb * cb) + adj; RESCALE( p ); p.w = a; p *= consta; return p;}.ps_2_0
*End of New Update 11/01/2012*

*New Update 09/01/2012*

We finally got a first response by Stephen Reid. I'll just quote it:

Quote: Originally Posted by StephenReid View Post
Hey all, wanted to let you know we're aware of this issue.

We're tracking down the details with the development team and will give you an update soon - hopefully later today.
I'll update this post as soon as we get that info.

*End of New Update 09/01/2012*


Original 1st post with 117 pages: http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=140954

I want to thank EVERYBODY for the support we are all giving to this post. Many good opinions here. More than 50 pages in 1 day clearly shows one thing: as customers paying for a 50$ product and worth 15$ a month, we deserve an answer.

*First Update*

Ok, since this has become the "official" post for the High Resolution Textures issue, I'm going to update this post for newcomers with the information we have at the moment. So, here are the facts we know:

1- The game had high resolution textures during beta. But they disappeared before releasing the live client.

2- You are NOT playing in high settings, no matter what your preferences window says. At this moment, medium=high, and there is no high, so you are all playing viewing your char's textures in medium quality.

3- This was expected to be fixed in the PTS. However, at this moment the issue hasn't been fixed for 1.1. What is more, they deleted the "Medium" quality option, and now there are only two options. Low and High. And yes, you are right: High is just the new Medium, as you can see in this screenshot:

http://img651.imageshack.us/img651/9238/swtor3.png

More info on this, by MaxWham:

Quote: Originally Posted by MaxWham View Post
Ok, I've made myself to download the whole Test Client, and that's what I've found:
Now there are only 2 options for "Texture Quality", "Shader Complexity" and "Character
Level of Detail":

http://floomby.com/content/Unhn91yMJ0

http://floomby.com/content/mx3gBmTTkS

http://floomby.com/content/axEz2UPYUE

This is how the game looks on Low:

http://floomby.com/content/5hsuNryE1E

And High:

http://floomby.com/content/SpcGe55FUk

So you see enviroment textures do change, but the character ones are always the same...
The options of "Low" and "High" only affect cutscenes, but unfortunately I can't make screenies during them...
4- Somehow, the high resolution textures are already in the game. But they are not being used while playing with your character. You can see em during dialog cutscenes. You can see them on your companions wardrobe preview window. And you can see them for 0,5 secs after clicking on your holo terminal in your ship. Here are some examples:

Medium: http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images...010419385.jpg/
High: http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images...010419390.jpg/

Medium: http://img32.imageshack.us/img32/897...2010710454.jpg
High: http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/553/hirez.png

Medium: http://imgur.com/NqI7j
High: http://imgur.com/M7Geg

ToonPhil shared with us this one: http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/364...htextures1.png

Another one from Adamant:

Medium: http://i.imgur.com/PsqBo.jpg
High: http://i.imgur.com/U1RMk.jpg

And yet another one: http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r...Comparison.jpg

One of the best high/med comparison photosets I've seen in this forum, by Rhykker: http://img51.imageshack.us/img51/5493/hirez.jpg

Gif showing the difference between both: http://m.uploadedit.com/bac/1325903803236.gif

and another gif: http://i40.tinypic.com/ip8wmb.gif

And a video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5WYWQ6HlYmA

It is important to note that after 200+ pages, Bioware still hasn't said anything about this.

I'm also quoting this very well written post:

Quote: Originally Posted by GTownsend View Post
Well, that thread on the PTS forum shows that they at least know about this one and are reading it. I have faith in Bioware to fix this issue, I'm sure they understand the damage to their credit by removing the medium texture setting and changing it to be called "high" and obviously the cat's out of the bag now. I think in general if they answer the following questions here, most of us will be satisfied -

1. Please clarify the "work around" requested in the first post of this thread, including a clarification of the sentence: If you installed prior to 5:00AM CST on January 4th, 2012, your graphics will display as "Low" even if actual in-game settings are higher due to automatic preference detection. and if reinstalling the game from origin, or any other source will remedy this issue.

2. Please explain the removal of the "medium" texture setting on the PTS and its apparent promotion to being called "high" despite the fact that it still retains all of the characteristics and low quality textures of the current "medium" setting.

3. Please indicate if a fix is being worked on/implemented, and if so, when we may roughly be able to expect it.

Muddy textures are not a game breaker. You can still, as I have, have an enormous amount of fun with this game. I think we jump the gun if we say that bioware is sweeping the problem under the carpet, without an explanation, we wont know for sure if that is the case until 1.1 goes live.

That being said, this is a Triple A title, from a Triple A studio, and a Triple A publisher. We are indeed paying customers who really want noting more than an explanation. I think we all generally understand that this isn't a "snap your fingers" fix, because if it was they would have no reason to hold it back. The frustration from most reasonable people in this thread is one of lack of explanation/communication.

We can split hairs about if the issue is lighting, or if its textures (though the visual proof shows textures http://m.uploadedit.com/bac/1325903803236.gif). And we can say "Why not just settle? Its a good game," But the core of this problem is a simple one - missing high res textures, and the apparent lack of information on a fix.

Say you buy a blender at Wal-Mart, you have really been wanting this blender. You have read previews about it online, you have been watching videos about it, and have been ooggling at pictures of it. One of its prime features, often advertized is the new "Mega Frappe" button. This button helps to differentiate this blender from its competition.

Alas! When you buy the blender and fervently remove it from the box, you find that the Mega Frappe button has been pried out, and the words "Mega Frappe" have been crossed out with a magic marker. Surely you would feel like you have been just been, for lack of a better word, screwed.

Now, replace the words Blender, with SWTOR and Mega Frappe with Hi-Res Textures and I think that you will find that the frustration is indeed well placed.

I have faith in Bioware to fix this issue, but we really do need to be told what is going on.
*End of First Update*


*Original Post*


So, this is what the official known bugs forums says:

If you installed prior to 5:00AM CST on January 4th, 2012, your graphics will display as "Low" even if actual in-game settings are higher due to automatic preference detection.
Workaround: Your graphics setting will display properly once modified and saved.

Workaround: Individual preferences will display properly once modified and saved.


Also, it was stated on 1.0.2 patch that:

Upon a new installation and first launch of the game, settings files and in-game graphics preferences are now consistent with each other.

So, please Bioware, can we get a clarification on this? Does this mean that if we reinstall the game using the online installer, we will get high resolution textures everytime and not only during dialog cutscenes?

If not, any ETA on when the high resolution textures bug will be fixed?

Thanks in advance for answering this confusive situation.

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01.09.2012 , 12:52 AM | #2
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01.09.2012 , 12:56 AM | #3
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01.09.2012 , 12:57 AM | #4
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audiophiley
01.09.2012 , 12:57 AM | #5
Made a screenshot of the nvidia inspector graphs to show you the gpu usage during conversations, which clearly uses improved graphics. Straight away you will see that the usage ramps up to 99% during these conversations and evens out at 50-60% during freemode. but have a look for yourselves.
maybe this is the reason, it demands further tweaking til they put the HD Textures in...

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images...aphnvinsp.png/

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Tenceriker
01.09.2012 , 12:58 AM | #6
Here we are back again at the start, let's keep this second incarnation of the 117+ page thread alive.
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Zorvan
01.09.2012 , 12:58 AM | #7
Wanna start a pool now on how many more new threads with 100+ pages each will need to be made before a dev bothers to respond?
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eskachig
01.09.2012 , 12:59 AM | #8
Quote: Originally Posted by audiophiley View Post
Made a screenshot of the nvidia inspector graphs to show you the gpu usage during conversations, which clearly uses improved graphics. Straight away you will see that the usage ramps up to 99% during these conversations and evens out at 50-60% during freemode. but have a look for yourselves.
maybe this is the reason, it demands further tweaking til they put the HD Textures in...

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images...aphnvinsp.png/

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Intriguing - but textures alone wouldn't result in such a spike. I suspect the improved lighting, etc is the cause of it. Textures alone wouldn't result in something like this.

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carnac_fett
01.09.2012 , 01:01 AM | #9
Here's hoping we get some sort of response today.

At the very least, I'd like for someone from the graphics department to confirm that they're going to continue working on making the high-res textures available during normal gameplay, and not shelving the idea entirely.
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Zorvan
01.09.2012 , 01:02 AM | #10
Quote: Originally Posted by eskachig View Post
Intriguing - but textures alone wouldn't result in such a spike. I suspect the improved lighting, etc is the cause of it. Textures alone wouldn't result in something like this.
Well see that the thing. It's not just high textures that are the problem, it's the entire "high" setting. That means not only the higher res textures, but also any other improvements such as lighting, shadow, etc.
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