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Karen Traviss versus Barbara Hambly

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Karen Traviss versus Barbara Hambly

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SomeDudeIsanub
01.06.2012 , 10:44 PM | #1
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Starcloud
01.07.2012 , 05:24 AM | #2
Both Karen Traviss and Barbara Hambly are professional writers of a pretty good quality.

Karen Traviss was lead writer on Gears of War 3, which I'm given to understand is a pretty popular game. Karen's been on the New York Times bestseller list more than once in her own right, and not just riding the coattails of Star Wars. She's pretty darn good as a writer, actually, and usually writes in the science fiction genre. As a character writer, she's very much on top of how people react, and her characters have realistic motivations.

Barbara Hambly usually writes in the fantasy genre, often in the real world/fantasy world crossover subgenre. My impression of her writing is less favorable, though I can't pinpoint why; possibly it's because her fantasy worlds seem to feel generic to me.

In terms of their Star Wars novels, Barbara Hambly's are considerably less focused, less coherent, and given to outright strangeness.
Karen's were focused on the "dirty" side of the Clone Wars; what it might feel like to be "on the ground" and on the moral implications of the Republic using what was effectively a slave army.

Both sets of novels didn't mesh with the original "space opera" feel of Star Wars. However, Traviss's novels are, for me, a much more enjoyable read. Hambly's novels are.. well, they were written during a time when LucasBooks really didn't care too much about the consistency of Star Wars novels. I'd very much rather reread the Republic Commando set than the Children of the Jedi/Dark Star pairing.

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Rhyltran
01.07.2012 , 06:07 AM | #3
Quote: Originally Posted by Starcloud View Post
Both Karen Traviss and Barbara Hambly are professional writers of a pretty good quality.

Karen Traviss was lead writer on Gears of War 3, which I'm given to understand is a pretty popular game. Karen's been on the New York Times bestseller list more than once in her own right, and not just riding the coattails of Star Wars. She's pretty darn good as a writer, actually, and usually writes in the science fiction genre. As a character writer, she's very much on top of how people react, and her characters have realistic motivations.

Barbara Hambly usually writes in the fantasy genre, often in the real world/fantasy world crossover subgenre. My impression of her writing is less favorable, though I can't pinpoint why; possibly it's because her fantasy worlds seem to feel generic to me.

In terms of their Star Wars novels, Barbara Hambly's are considerably less focused, less coherent, and given to outright strangeness.
Karen's were focused on the "dirty" side of the Clone Wars; what it might feel like to be "on the ground" and on the moral implications of the Republic using what was effectively a slave army.

Both sets of novels didn't mesh with the original "space opera" feel of Star Wars. However, Traviss's novels are, for me, a much more enjoyable read. Hambly's novels are.. well, they were written during a time when LucasBooks really didn't care too much about the consistency of Star Wars novels. I'd very much rather reread the Republic Commando set than the Children of the Jedi/Dark Star pairing.
Karen Traviss when working on Star Wars was highly unprofessional. She insulted Star Wars fans attributing them to being like terrorists. She admitted to also having never read another Star Wars novel when doing her own work. when focusing entirely on then Mandalorians she was okay. However, when writing about Jedi she stepped on author's toes. She'd write characters completely out of character and more. Her lack of respect to the IP is what got her removed and now her work is being ret-connned. She literally hated the Jedi and fans of the Jedi which was Star Wars primary focus.

When you start throwing words around like "Talifans" just because you disagree with her view. It's time to go.

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StarNeptune
01.08.2012 , 08:23 AM | #4
Quote: Originally Posted by Rhyltran View Post
Karen Traviss when working on Star Wars was highly unprofessional. She insulted Star Wars fans attributing them to being like terrorists. She admitted to also having never read another Star Wars novel when doing her own work. when focusing entirely on then Mandalorians she was okay. However, when writing about Jedi she stepped on author's toes. She'd write characters completely out of character and more. Her lack of respect to the IP is what got her removed and now her work is being ret-connned. She literally hated the Jedi and fans of the Jedi which was Star Wars primary focus.

When you start throwing words around like "Talifans" just because you disagree with her view. It's time to go.
She was removed? I thought she just threw a hissy fit and quit over her Mando continuity being stomped on by the Clone Wars CGI series.

Just for context for those that are unaware: the "Talifan" comment made by her was about the fans raging hardcore at her for saying there were only three million clones in the clone army. Not that it excuses her behaviour, but the behaviour of some of the fans were just as bad and both sides should share the blame. Plus, seeing as how R.A. Salvatore received death threats from Star Wars fans for killing off Chewbacca (and it wasn't even his decision to do so), I can see where she would feel threatened by the fanbase.

Everything else in the quoted post is true. The Traviss novel that exemplifies (almost) all of the above regarding her Mando worship and Jedi hatred is Revelation in the Legacy of the Force series.

RE: Hambly: I tried to read Children of the Jedi, but some of the stuff read like she was tripping on acid when she wrote it and made no sense. I found it hard to get through the book. :\

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Starcloud
01.08.2012 , 08:32 AM | #5
Traviss is a professional. She was in the middle of a story, that story had to rely on certain elements being in place.

Then the Clone Wars writers entirely upend the background story and utterly change the character and environment of the planets she was planning on writing about.

She and her LucasBooks editor talked and tried to brainstorm ways to continue the novel series, but neither of them could see a way forward. Since writing is her business, she made the simple, logical, and reasonable decision to not commit to another book and moved on.

This is something a lot of people don't understand: If you're a professional writer, you don't write novels out of love for a particular universe or series. You write to express a story in order to sell that story so that you can put food on the table.

If you end up hitting a roadblock with one book, series, or universe, you either set it aside or drop it in order to continue.

Any animosity is on the part of the fans who either feel betrayed that she stopped writing for Star Wars or that she wrote for Star Wars at all.

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corithdestrin
01.08.2012 , 12:36 PM | #6
Quote: Originally Posted by StarNeptune View Post
She was removed? I thought she just threw a hissy fit and quit over her Mando continuity being stomped on by the Clone Wars CGI series.

Just for context for those that are unaware: the "Talifan" comment made by her was about the fans raging hardcore at her for saying there were only three million clones in the clone army. Not that it excuses her behaviour, but the behaviour of some of the fans were just as bad and both sides should share the blame. Plus, seeing as how R.A. Salvatore received death threats from Star Wars fans for killing off Chewbacca (and it wasn't even his decision to do so), I can see where she would feel threatened by the fanbase.

Everything else in the quoted post is true. The Traviss novel that exemplifies (almost) all of the above regarding her Mando worship and Jedi hatred is Revelation in the Legacy of the Force series.

RE: Hambly: I tried to read Children of the Jedi, but some of the stuff read like she was tripping on acid when she wrote it and made no sense. I found it hard to get through the book. :\
Thank you for the clarification ppl just assume that it was KT's fault the fans were the worst part about it. I would have freaked out on you ******es as well. Most ppl do not realize tht the authors do not have control over characters deaths and major plot points are all laid out before a book or series is even started. So the author has to find a way to bring these characters to these plot points so in some case making you favorite characters act different or change their views. Much in the way Anikin fell he was a great guy but then he became a selfish ******e why because he had to become Vader.
Mara had to act like an weirdo cuz she was pissed at jacen and over protective of ben so she was going crazy over the fact that she felt like it was all in her head but deep down she knew the truth so acted on it and was different than the mara we all loved. She was slated to die KT had to bring her to that point. As far Barbara Hambly goes I could not even finish children of the jedi it did not feel like star wars and the plot was ****ed the were no children of the jedi back then. Unless there were tones of jedi all hiding their kids and girlfriends. Yoda is slamming some hot green chic while he tells the rest of the jedi to go home a masterbate. lol

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corithdestrin
01.08.2012 , 12:42 PM | #7
The Jedi archives were giant stacks of P.O.R.N.! lol

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Bamml
03.30.2012 , 09:21 AM | #8
Dis gon b gud

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Captain_Zone
03.30.2012 , 10:11 AM | #9
Quote: Originally Posted by StarNeptune View Post
She was removed? I thought she just threw a hissy fit and quit over her Mando continuity being stomped on by the Clone Wars CGI series.

Just for context for those that are unaware: the "Talifan" comment made by her was about the fans raging hardcore at her for saying there were only three million clones in the clone army. Not that it excuses her behaviour, but the behaviour of some of the fans were just as bad and both sides should share the blame. Plus, seeing as how R.A. Salvatore received death threats from Star Wars fans for killing off Chewbacca (and it wasn't even his decision to do so), I can see where she would feel threatened by the fanbase.

Everything else in the quoted post is true. The Traviss novel that exemplifies (almost) all of the above regarding her Mando worship and Jedi hatred is Revelation in the Legacy of the Force series.

RE: Hambly: I tried to read Children of the Jedi, but some of the stuff read like she was tripping on acid when she wrote it and made no sense. I found it hard to get through the book. :\
From what I heard, Karen Traviss was given the choice to quit or be fired. So she chose the former. That said, I think she is a hack that doesn't give a rat's *** about the continuity already in place. I've heard she's a good writer, but she had no place in Star Wars, imo and in a lot of others' opinions as well. She also had no concept of teamwork, as evidenced when she knowingly and willfully made the decision to kill off Mara Jade WHILE Tim Zahn, who created the character, was working on a new novel with her in it. She basically spit all over the fans and the other writers on the Expanded Universe team when she did that. Thanks to her being a *****, they had to go and rewrite their novels with a living Mara in them. That's just dirty. I for one am glad she's no longer there and will never be there again, The Force willing.

Hey, if she's not going to even respect an author of Zahn's calibre, then I am NOT going to respect her. In fact, I'm wondering if she went in with her Fandalorians and her attitude that her **** doesn't stink just to sabotage the ExU team's efforts. Whether she intended to or not, that was the final result.

And as to Chewie's death. I'm a huge R.A. Salvatore fan and have been since The Dark Elf Trilogy. He did the ol' Wook justice, imo. Chewbacca went out like a champ, and the only way he could. Fulfilling his life debt. Salvatore was dealt a bad hand, but he played it well.
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DaWaffle
03.30.2012 , 10:24 AM | #10
Never heard of Hambly. Traviss is a good writer, she just had an issue with established canon and an unhealthy obsession with Mandalorians.