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From a Goldman Analyst Perspective on SWTOR

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From a Goldman Analyst Perspective on SWTOR

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busca
01.06.2012 , 12:04 AM | #461
All i can say is i've played almost ever AAA mmo from SWG on.
And this is the most fun i've had playing a mmo to date.
yes i hope they can fix the bugs and gave me some more HOTBARS PLZZZZZZZZZ.

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slaogwerk
01.06.2012 , 12:04 AM | #462
Quote: Originally Posted by Daeborn View Post
I read it. It's all psychobabble BS from someone who shouldn't be claiming victory or knowledge.
This.
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SaltAU
01.06.2012 , 12:04 AM | #463
Quote: Originally Posted by potsherds View Post
The OP is definitely insulting the intelligence of a lot of folks here, insisting he holds a position he obviously does not, I am curious what percentage of folks who post on the forums (so an unrepresentative subset of players, of course) think BioWare ought not to have released the game so soon? I knew from the moment I read the release date that they were pushing it out for the holidays and was worried; and playing the betas only confirmed that the game was to be released lacking some amount or other of polish. The farther I've gotten into the game, and the consistent level of bugs and graphical errors has caused my opinion on the early release to go from 'not a very good idea' to 'perhaps incredibly foolish and damaging at least to the short-term success of the game'. WoW is a great success after what I've heard was an awful launch, and the launch of SWTOR went off much more smoothly, but with higher expectations, I worry whether BioWare has the resources and people necessary to overcome the obstacles here.

I also, having a great deal of dislike for EA, wonder how much the decision to launch so soon was EA's and how much was BW's.

Agreed. Well said.

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Yowfatto
01.06.2012 , 12:09 AM | #464
Quote: Originally Posted by potsherds View Post
The OP is definitely insulting the intelligence of a lot of folks here, insisting he holds a position he obviously does not, but I am curious what percentage of folks who post on the forums (so an unrepresentative subset of players, of course) think BioWare ought not to have released the game so soon? I knew from the moment I read the release date that they were pushing it out for the holidays and was worried; and playing the betas only confirmed that the game was to be released lacking some amount or other of polish. The farther I've gotten into the game, and the consistent level of bugs and graphical errors has caused my opinion on the early release to go from 'not a very good idea' to 'perhaps incredibly foolish and damaging at least to the short-term success of the game'. WoW is a great success after what I've heard was an awful launch, and the launch of SWTOR went off much more smoothly, but with higher expectations, I worry whether BioWare has the resources and people necessary to overcome the obstacles here.

I also, having a great deal of dislike for EA, wonder how much the decision to launch so soon was EA's and how much was BW's.
WoW was simply a nightmare at launch, the fact that it succeeded was because people didn't know any better at the time and was willing to give the game some time. The MMO market is not nearly as mature as it was then. After WoW everyone compared everything to current WoW and it never compared. This game has true potential, I think that most will give this game a chance, even many WoW players, who were around at launch of WoW and know how horrific it was have said the same in these very forums about SWTOR, give it time it's only been 2 WEEKS.

What will this game look like 6m-year from now. Probably far different and even better. As things go, this game for me, and I've played all the crop of current MMOs, has more content and more to offer than AoC, Aion, STO, Rift, Warhammer etc. Those games had some big flaws, this game has some flaws but it's in far better shape than any of those games when they launched.

Of course EA dictates when the game launches, BW was probably the one to push it out as far as they did and probably asked for more time and EA said no Dec. 20th. Regardless give the game time to grow and work out the kinks.

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Monsata
01.06.2012 , 12:09 AM | #465
Still loving the game. OP is no analyst, or at least not a very good one. He doesn't like the game, and he hopes to make you feel the same. Misery loves company, that is why all these people post unproductive and negative posts.

Blizzard employee ? Possibly. WoW Fanboy who is never going to give this game a chance, and is hoping he can convince all his friends to go back? Possibly. With the exception of a few minor bugs, I see people happily playing all day long. I read these horror stories about how bad the game is or how broken it is and I think " Are we playing the same game ?"

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JefferyClark
01.06.2012 , 12:12 AM | #466
Quote: Originally Posted by Shillen View Post
Nice try, WoW's beta was 2 years.
Nice try... Shillen, get your facts straight.

Quote:
Starting before March of 2004, Blizzard started signing up Closed Beta Test testers from an unknown pool of people using an undisclosed method of selection. The Closed Beta Trial ran for about 7 months ending in more widely available stress test and then an open beta before final release around the end of November 2004.
under 9 months of testing before launch... total... with who knows how many testers... gamebreaking bugs up the wazoo and server and client crashes to rival early Windows Vista...

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Yowfatto
01.06.2012 , 12:13 AM | #467
No goldman analyst has the time to play MMO's endlessly as this OP does. Heck, 90% of people don't have the time to get to lvl 50 in 2 weeks, I'm only 40 and it will probably take me another month to get to 50. This OP is not an analyst and anyone who thinks so is truly naive and ignorant.

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Hanzohasashi
01.06.2012 , 12:15 AM | #468
A analyst who listens to whiners on forums and decides to post his expertise (which he is paid for usually BTW) for free on a general forum...

Now I have seen everything.

OR

It could be someone who got sick of having his arguments undermined by people who have a lot more experience than him and decided to take the higher road and lying about who he is.

Just sayin'...

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Leporello
01.06.2012 , 12:16 AM | #469
Quote: Originally Posted by potsherds View Post
The OP is definitely insulting the intelligence of a lot of folks here, insisting he holds a position he obviously does not, I am curious what percentage of folks who post on the forums (so an unrepresentative subset of players, of course) think BioWare ought not to have released the game so soon? I knew from the moment I read the release date that they were pushing it out for the holidays and was worried; and playing the betas only confirmed that the game was to be released lacking some amount or other of polish. The farther I've gotten into the game, and the consistent level of bugs and graphical errors has caused my opinion on the early release to go from 'not a very good idea' to 'perhaps incredibly foolish and damaging at least to the short-term success of the game'. WoW is a great success after what I've heard was an awful launch, and the launch of SWTOR went off much more smoothly, but with higher expectations, I worry whether BioWare has the resources and people necessary to overcome the obstacles here.

I also, having a great deal of dislike for EA, wonder how much the decision to launch so soon was EA's and how much was BW's.
Well said, but it is easy to criticize EA's decision to push the release of this game when you aren't the one responsible to the accounting department and to the investors who were clamoring over this game for all of 2011. EA did gives this game a lot of time and money. They eventually have to push the button.

But yes, definitely it was a mistake. I wanted this game out, too, but I didn't know it needed as much work as it does. I figured certain functions, like raid frames, UI customization, would be the first things nailed down and polished. I was wrong.

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Yowfatto
01.06.2012 , 12:18 AM | #470
Quote: Originally Posted by Motb View Post
I agree with OP, have played AoC and WAR from start, and lots of scary similarities between the games. The non responsiveness of abilities, the bad customer support, the bad design of the game, questions unandswered. And ultimately I have the same feeling: First everything is amazing and better then WoW, then 1 week later its good, it ahs its plusses and negatives, but it is still new and interesting, 2 weeks later: Its getting broing, you look up and see only the flaws as the good things have just lost their "newiness", their excitement value.

To be perfectly honest the only reason I log on each day is because of the IP, I listen to the audiobooks atm (The Old Republic: Fallen Alliance) and it makes me want to join the fray, but after an hour or two it is jsut boring and a grind even with the cutscenes.

Im mostly sad because I had my hopes on SWTOR, and I dragged my friends away from WoW...
WoW is a dying game, lost millions last year and will lose just as many if not more this year, pretty soon all that will be left are the millions of chinese gold farmers spamming each other.