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Artifice Is completely worthless.

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SardaTFK
01.05.2012 , 06:04 PM | #1
This profession is completely pointless, and I know i'm probably late to the party and this has all been said but its really frustrating.

Noone wants the color crystals I can make, everyone wants the rare colors like magenta, black, white, purple, ect. Which are all drop only. The stats are so superficial on them that noone really cares all that much if their using a 27 end red over the 20 end red they've been using for 10 levels already.

Noone wants any of the hilts I can make as noone wants to spend the money for the epic lower level hilts when they can just regularly buy the blue ones off the commendation vendors. Even at the highest level the hilts are worthless because you can earn better ones then the best ones I can make for easily completable quests.

Noone wants any of the enhancements for basically the same reason, commendation vendors while leveling, and daily heroic which are lowly heroic 2 mans which are a breeze gives you a free epic enhancements every day of the ones most people want. Also, the enhancements don't follow order or reason as you go up, prior prefix's will suddenly do diffrent stats, take a look at a Battle and Assault, at the higher levels they suddently become completely diffrent stats. Finding what you need is a complete mess.

There's no generators for 49-50, the highest I can make are 48, which makes them even inferior to 50 greens even when their blue, not to mention you can get blue 50 generators for free off the Corellia vendor, again, completely negating the need for a Artifice.

All the relics are absolute garbage, its universally agree'd among everyone I've talked to that the plain green quality relics off the alignment vendors are superior only because they have +end on them and pretty much the majority of the on-use-ability, the blue version is without a doubt better. Not to mention this thing requires a BOP mat I have zero access to as a PVPer and couldn't justify rolling for even if i wasn't.

All the sabers I can craft are again, garbage. Theres better sabers off the commendation vendors on corellia. Why bother? And again, a BOP mat for a saber with blue mods? why? You could buy a junk saber with 5 minutes of farming Dromund Kaas commendations, throw the exact same blue quality mods into it from com vendors or clearance-noone-will-buy-these-jsut-take-them-price off the market for and have the exact same thing for less the the cost of materials. For a BOP mat and all that stuff the thing should at the very least be epic 23 quality, if its not, get rid of the pointless BOP requirement.

Lastly, theres zero benefits given to me as a Artifice, I can't make anything thats BOP and gives me some sort of boost like a Biochem gets with their medkits, or a Cybertech gets with there gernades, I get absolutly nothing.

Honestly, i'd drop this outright but i've been since early beta and I know how fast things can change with professions, the recent Slicing debacle is evidence in itself. So i'm stuck with this useless profession that might or might not become useful in a day or maybe never and its really frustrating.

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Amdarius
01.05.2012 , 06:05 PM | #2
Not entirely true about the hilts. I bought a couple off of the GTN today. In fact, hilts in the lvl 35-49 range with the stats I need are very difficult to find.

I also never have enough commendations from each planet to buy ALL of these items you've listed in addition to the other items I need. So I'll get one or two from commendations and then need to fill in the rest with items I buy (or get from quests.. and I agree those are far too prevalent).

The bigger issue is that upgrades aren't really necessary because (1) you rarely die unless you're just not that good or take on way too much at once, and (2) even if you die, there's no penalty to it other than a few credits in damage. So people don't need to be tip top equipped at every level which is why the GTN isn't used all that much. The economy in this game is not vibrant. They should've gotten rid of all the item rewards from quests and just given cash so that people could in turn buy the gear that crafters make. I'm not sure why SWTOR is so terrified of crafting, especially given how easy it is in SWTOR.

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Dubblebass
01.05.2012 , 06:11 PM | #3
To each their own I guess. I use what I make and so do my guildies. I also like to outfit my alts. I do agree about the generator part; I hope that gets addressed. I have Artificing n my Sage and Cybertech on my Trooper so I can help the guild (and myself) fill out our orange gear.

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SardaTFK
01.05.2012 , 06:11 PM | #4
Quote: Originally Posted by Amdarius View Post
Not entirely true about the hilts. I bought a couple off of the GTN today. In fact, hilts in the lvl 35-49 range with the stats I need are very difficult to find.
I'm really curious what so game breaking off a requirement you have for a hilt at that level. There's really only 2 types with very minor stat variations. In the example of the warrior, you'd either go Might which is something like 1/2 end, 1/2 str, or you go .. whatever if its called, lets just call it Suicide Hilt since when your leveling the last thing you want is HP right. And that hilt is 60% str, 30% end, 10% lost stats.

Most people don't care about 5 more str at the cost of 5 endurance, the general size is sufficent for 99% of the populace.

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SardaTFK
01.05.2012 , 06:17 PM | #5
Quote: Originally Posted by Dubblebass View Post
To each their own I guess. I use what I make and so do my guildies. I also like to outfit my alts. I do agree about the generator part; I hope that gets addressed. I have Artificing n my Sage and Cybertech on my Trooper so I can help the guild (and myself) fill out our orange gear.
Noone ever asks me to make them something, even I won't bother making something like a better color crystal for my alts, or a hilt, ill still use the commendation vendor because even to me it isn't worth the time to do it.

Here's a example what i'd need to do to give my alt a hilt. 1. Switch to the artifice, 2. Run missions for the rare mats, 3. Spend time crafting the Hilt. 4. Send the hilt over. In that time I know for a fact I could just farm the commendations, and get it off the vendor, given the random nature of rare mats it would probably be faster and cheaper.

As for commendations, I rarely ever have to few off them to keep my gear up to date, unless your using a stealth class and avoiding tons of combat or your really bad at questing and drop quests, bonuses and heroics left right and center, you ALWAYS have more commendations then you need to stay up to date. My BH alt today finished Alderaan with 39 commendations, almost 15 more then I needed to bring every modable item up to date.

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pokota
01.05.2012 , 07:32 PM | #6
"when they can just regularly buy the blue ones off the commendation vendors"

Most crafters can sympathize. Heck, I have 400 Cybertech, and I almost never make Armoring or Mods for myself. They're provided for me free of charge with quests or commendations. Crafting is simply not intended to be a part of this game, it's more of a "here, now shut up" bone BioWare threw out to keep people who like to swim in player-driven economy quiet.

I'm not saying this to whine or complain, I'm simply stating a fact: BioWare's delegation of player economy and crafting to an inconsequential status will likely cause me to lose interest in this game far earlier than would otherwise be the case. I simply do not understand why they have so much disdain for this aspect of the MMO genre.

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clocknane
01.05.2012 , 07:40 PM | #7
Quote: Originally Posted by SardaTFK View Post
This profession is completely pointless, and I know i'm probably late to the party and this has all been said but its really frustrating.

Noone wants the color crystals I can make, everyone wants the rare colors like magenta, black, white, purple, ect. Which are all drop only. The stats are so superficial on them that noone really cares all that much if their using a 27 end red over the 20 end red they've been using for 10 levels already.

Noone wants any of the hilts I can make as noone wants to spend the money for the epic lower level hilts when they can just regularly buy the blue ones off the commendation vendors. Even at the highest level the hilts are worthless because you can earn better ones then the best ones I can make for easily completable quests.

Noone wants any of the enhancements for basically the same reason, commendation vendors while leveling, and daily heroic which are lowly heroic 2 mans which are a breeze gives you a free epic enhancements every day of the ones most people want. Also, the enhancements don't follow order or reason as you go up, prior prefix's will suddenly do diffrent stats, take a look at a Battle and Assault, at the higher levels they suddently become completely diffrent stats. Finding what you need is a complete mess.

There's no generators for 49-50, the highest I can make are 48, which makes them even inferior to 50 greens even when their blue, not to mention you can get blue 50 generators for free off the Corellia vendor, again, completely negating the need for a Artifice.

All the relics are absolute garbage, its universally agree'd among everyone I've talked to that the plain green quality relics off the alignment vendors are superior only because they have +end on them and pretty much the majority of the on-use-ability, the blue version is without a doubt better. Not to mention this thing requires a BOP mat I have zero access to as a PVPer and couldn't justify rolling for even if i wasn't.

All the sabers I can craft are again, garbage. Theres better sabers off the commendation vendors on corellia. Why bother? And again, a BOP mat for a saber with blue mods? why? You could buy a junk saber with 5 minutes of farming Dromund Kaas commendations, throw the exact same blue quality mods into it from com vendors or clearance-noone-will-buy-these-jsut-take-them-price off the market for and have the exact same thing for less the the cost of materials. For a BOP mat and all that stuff the thing should at the very least be epic 23 quality, if its not, get rid of the pointless BOP requirement.

Lastly, theres zero benefits given to me as a Artifice, I can't make anything thats BOP and gives me some sort of boost like a Biochem gets with their medkits, or a Cybertech gets with there gernades, I get absolutly nothing.

Honestly, i'd drop this outright but i've been since early beta and I know how fast things can change with professions, the recent Slicing debacle is evidence in itself. So i'm stuck with this useless profession that might or might not become useful in a day or maybe never and its really frustrating.
Ok, hate to tell you but you are sooo wrong. I play on Iron Citadel and I am a level 330 artificer and people buy my hilts, enhancements, and crystals all day long. Not sure what is going on where you play, but artificing is not useless.
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DarthNorik
01.05.2012 , 08:06 PM | #8
400 artifice here on Warriors of the Shadow, I sell the artifice level 39 color crystals for 22k a pop and they sell out before the auction is over. To each his own I guess.
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SkyAsh
01.05.2012 , 08:09 PM | #9
I agree. Crafting professions are useless in making money and from what I've heard, not relevant end game.

It seems like professions are there just to throw something to the players to burn time and energy, while dreaming for a better thing to come.

My advice is, do it just to equip your characters while leveling, setting your expectations real low. Don't waste money by trying to get more than that. Crafting is just an afterthought in this game.

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Saxx
01.05.2012 , 08:14 PM | #10
Quote: Originally Posted by SardaTFK View Post
This profession is completely pointless, and I know i'm probably late to the party and this has all been said but its really frustrating.

Noone wants the color crystals I can make, everyone wants the rare colors like magenta, black, white, purple, ect. Which are all drop only. The stats are so superficial on them that noone really cares all that much if their using a 27 end red over the 20 end red they've been using for 10 levels already.

Noone wants any of the hilts I can make as noone wants to spend the money for the epic lower level hilts when they can just regularly buy the blue ones off the commendation vendors. Even at the highest level the hilts are worthless because you can earn better ones then the best ones I can make for easily completable quests.

Noone wants any of the enhancements for basically the same reason, commendation vendors while leveling, and daily heroic which are lowly heroic 2 mans which are a breeze gives you a free epic enhancements every day of the ones most people want. Also, the enhancements don't follow order or reason as you go up, prior prefix's will suddenly do diffrent stats, take a look at a Battle and Assault, at the higher levels they suddently become completely diffrent stats. Finding what you need is a complete mess.

There's no generators for 49-50, the highest I can make are 48, which makes them even inferior to 50 greens even when their blue, not to mention you can get blue 50 generators for free off the Corellia vendor, again, completely negating the need for a Artifice.

All the relics are absolute garbage, its universally agree'd among everyone I've talked to that the plain green quality relics off the alignment vendors are superior only because they have +end on them and pretty much the majority of the on-use-ability, the blue version is without a doubt better. Not to mention this thing requires a BOP mat I have zero access to as a PVPer and couldn't justify rolling for even if i wasn't.

All the sabers I can craft are again, garbage. Theres better sabers off the commendation vendors on corellia. Why bother? And again, a BOP mat for a saber with blue mods? why? You could buy a junk saber with 5 minutes of farming Dromund Kaas commendations, throw the exact same blue quality mods into it from com vendors or clearance-noone-will-buy-these-jsut-take-them-price off the market for and have the exact same thing for less the the cost of materials. For a BOP mat and all that stuff the thing should at the very least be epic 23 quality, if its not, get rid of the pointless BOP requirement.

Lastly, theres zero benefits given to me as a Artifice, I can't make anything thats BOP and gives me some sort of boost like a Biochem gets with their medkits, or a Cybertech gets with there gernades, I get absolutly nothing.

Honestly, i'd drop this outright but i've been since early beta and I know how fast things can change with professions, the recent Slicing debacle is evidence in itself. So i'm stuck with this useless profession that might or might not become useful in a day or maybe never and its really frustrating.
We must be playing different professions then cause i'm loving my Artificing.

1. Enhancements - I'm spending tons of credits to RE these things up one side and down the other as much as possible. There are people that despise the commendation vendors with the net result being more credits for me. Finding the enhancements that I make to be more beneficial than the commendation vendors to be honest.

2. Color Crystals - *shrug* I go for stats and honestly I haven't anything but regular color crystals up on the market. Let the people farm for those ridiculously hard to come by crystals while the rest of the population wants the good stuff. Already saving my yellow crystals up so I can make some artifact level stuff.

3. Hilts - Again like crystals/enhancements these things will move at their own pace. Need to break down myself and start REing these things so I can make some nicer stuff.


I do have to ask though are you investing in schematics? Bought several schematics making a tidy profit from what was sold. Just recently sold a nice artifact level one for 10k on the Port Nowhere server that I made. Also using one that I made since it has a nice augmentation slot on it.


Right now I find Artificing to be quite enjoyable and a heck of a lot better than it used to be since beta. Still remember making nothing but garbage as mods couldn't be reverse engineered making it a nightmare.
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