Why are so many people saying this game is bad?

lmao this is true to a point haha.

So here's the thing. Games are made to entertain people. If the game entertains people it is competitive.

This notion that it has to have some feature to be a "good" game is non-sense. To be a "good" game it simply needs to be fun. "Fun" of course being completely subjective.

It's really that simple. If the game is fun for you play it, if not don't.

Arguing over whether or not it's fun is just plain silly. We might as well argue who's favorite color is better.

Are you sure that these points are "extremely nitpicky"?


- No day/night cycle

The worlds now always look the same, ALWAYS.
There would be literally thousands of possible combinations of "moods" on the planets, if you have time progression, changing shadows, rain, snow. Ever checked out Red Dead Redemption? The setting sun on a wild west prairie, or the morning sun rising? Imagine that on alien planets.. Bingo.

- No swimming

Quests involving underwater areas would be awesome, also would fit very well into the Star Wars universe since Episode 1.

- No housing

One of my major disappointments.

- No Pazaak, Sabacc, Dejarik, races, casino, etc...

exactly, nothing to do in between instead of the rail shooter and some crafting?

- Dumbed down character creation

For a universe full of different races, this is really weak.

- No high res textures

The game graphics are definitely not on par with Guild Wars 2 or Skyrim.

- No environmental interaction (chairs, walls, doors, etc...)

True! The environment is lifeless and there is no interaction unless it has anything to do with a quest. Where are other objects like the cantina jukebox?

- Simple combat with static enemies

True, enemies stand around in groups waiting to be slashed. Probably the worst AI I´ve seen for a long, long time ago.

- Unconvincing and stiff animations
correct

- Empty dead worlds with not enough NPCs moving around

correct, it´s not a convincing living, breathing world

- No collision detection

that bugs me too

- Restriction in choice of starship

I can live with that

- No ship decoration

would be nice to have

- Dumbed down space combat

ABSOLUTELY. This games needs to have an X-Wing Vs. Tie-Fighter space combat, asap.

- No multiplayer space combat

YES!

- Less planets than announced

correct, where is the exploration feeling in space? The freedom to travel through the universe? It´s Star Wars!

- Planets rated by levels with no reason to go back

sad, but true. This was a huge downer.

By the way:

I wish I could run over Jawas with my speeder, like in GTA.
(And of course, people.)

I'm not arguing perspective or contradicting subjective views but I am certainly calling into question Bioware's choices regarding feature implementation and priorities. Not sure what you mean by "this notion" as I've never presented anything resembling a conflict of perception nor have am I pressuring others to follow my lead in unsubbing.

The game aint bad.

BUT:

The game is nothing special...the only special thing about it is that it takes place in the SW Universe.

This game would have a huge potential to be the greatest MMO ever but it fails to deliver. And to all saying "oh come on it just released" - seriously you could have said that like 5 or 6 years ago and then i would have said "True lets give it some time".

Today the situation is completely different. There have been TONS of MMO's and TONS of mistakes that have been made. I measure the quality of a new game by tha lack of missing mistakes that happend elsewhere...but if a game freshly releases and features most/all mistakes the other MMOs already did...or say stuff missing that clearly is a must have, i feel cheated and i feel like a Money Donkey for the Investors. This game has merely reached BETA level if not still ALPHA. And that pisses a lot of ppl who played a lot of mmos off. its very simple.

SWToR is not different to any other MMO besides it has an other storyline and some basic differences. Graphically the game is hardly an improvement. Its like WoW but just a bit less comic style...only a bit. Honestly after 8y we can expect more than that.

Fun and Gamebreaking stuff:

Fun is subjective...the feeling that something is gamebreaking is subjective aswell.

If someone is a pvp junkie he prolly thinks balancing and FPS are gamebreaking...

Fun is relative aswell....if you enjoy grinding and rushing trough Ops and FP's without beeing challenged...good for you. But don't Judge others with your measures of fun and gamebreaking. And its their right to try and demand that BW takes care of stuff like that.

Which casual player who runs Ops normal mode is getting set back if BW changes HM and NM mode to what the name actually emplys? no one. So quit harassing those who really want an improvement in this game. If you are happy with whatever they throw at you...again GOOD FOR YOU. Then be happy, shut up and quit raging if someone is unhappy with stuff you might enjoy...they aint gonna take it away from you. So stick to the stuff you enjoy and leave the forum trolling.


Trolls n stuff

Yes i believe that there are Trolls here....there always are...in WoW it has mostly been ppl that used a low level alt to post in forums so noone recognizes them. But that wasn't the majority of ppl complaining about something they misslike...same here some trolls and a lot of unhappy ppl.


Again: This game aint bad...but atm it fails to deliver what we can expect for a game thats been released in 2011/12. It has huge potential but it was released way to early.

And after intense reading in this forum i can clearly see that i'm not alone with that opinion and the amount of ppl feeling the same way as i do are growing in numbers every day.


So please BW proof me wrong and give this community what it deserves.

Funny I don't.

Not saying it wouldn't have been the case by today's standards, but WoW's release wasn't judged by today's standards. The majority of mmo players in those days weren't brought to the genre by a television commercial either. It was a different crowd than today, much less diverse and easier to cater to. Game developers were different, the one size can fit all theory had not taken over yet. In summary, mmos and along with large amounts of their playerbase were very different before the once niche genre became as commercialized as it is today.

I think the majority of people who complain about new mmos today have been disenfranchised with mmos ever since they've gone really commercial, kind of like old school punk rock fans ever since green day. All that needs to happen is for a developer to lower their expectations in reguards to mass appeal and unapologetically try to make a good game instead of a game everyone likes, and we likely wouldn't have to see those people complain in the forums of other games for a long long time.

wow. an unscientific poll with 1500 is respondents of 2+ million players and you put faith into it? so funny. the only real numbers we have are from the investors call, which had figures of something like 85% retention after the first month which is practically unheard of for the genre.

Man... I work in retail and what I read in these forums is exactly what it is like dealing with customers.

PEOPLE LOVE TO COMPLAIN!!

Honest to God, I cant believe the things people go on and on about. No day night cycles, no interactions with chairs, etc. My God shut up and play or dont play. Seriously already. And stop crying about your server being over popd or dead. When I joined this game I was on the Fatman server. After a week of waiting in ques to get in to play I said to hell with it and went to the Deadweight server. Yeah, I had to start over, so what!? Its a GAME!. A few of my friends came with me and a few didnt. Those who came with me are still playing. Those who stayed behind got bored and quit playing. The choices are YOURS and the game is also what YOU make of it.

No amount of graphics or features are ever gonna make a unhappy person suddenly appreciate the game. They will just have a new set of ideas to complain about.

Difference is that 1) it has no sub fee, yet is an MMO 2) Wide open, massive maps and not AoC/TOR style which is a whole lot of loading. 3) A very passionate and open company: they actually play their games, BW seems to only make them and is about the most tight lipped dev out there. 4) When you reach that breaking point, you can quit GW2 and take a break; in TOR you are paying monthly thus feel I have to get every red cent out of it.

Rift is far from the perfect game, I will agree. But the thing is....it was made by a newbie developer for a miniscule amount of cash compared to this game, yet they are constantly cranking out patches to fix stuff and add content. All this at max 30 min down time: how can a no name dev do something so right yet mega corp cannot? BW on other hand takes ages to do the same and don't even test their crap. While Rift is not the best, they really impressed me with their dedication; I look forward to their next MMO if they do one. TOR on the other hand has lowered the bar, which is sad.

On topic, game is not totally awful and not redeemable...but at the snails pace they are going (ie. it took them 5 months to fix Med therapy LOL), BW/EA may have a wake up call soon when other titles are released in the future. BW released this game at the perfect time: no competition and players tiring of other games like Rift and WoW. So essentially they can get away for having a mediocre MMO with terrible service and terrible bug ridden patches filled with sploits. It's also based on SW which automatically draws fanbois out of the floor boards.


p.s. BW should stick to SP games.