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Why are so many people saying this game is bad?

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iceperson

03.04.2012 , 02:47 PM \| #381	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by SirRobin Nice try, would you prefer implication instead? lol The question is asked, "Why are so many people saying this game is bad?" One poster replies to a question with a question and links to a page showing awards given by... people. So, how many people? Yet when you actually read the original poster's post its stated, "in this forum." Well how many of the people giving those rewards are in this forum? Well they have not all stepped forward, nor are they all tracked that I am aware of. So, out of context with the original post, another poster posts a question referencing claims made outside this forum. When looking at such rewards it is hardly unimaginable to ponder what rewards other products might have been given. Warhammer Online and Rift appear to have also been given a variety of rewards. Supposedly implying the product was "good." Well, at least worth the award. Considering the current state of those product's in the mumorpuger market, it would also be hardly unimaginable to ponder why they would have called it "good" in the first place if they have obviously not remained very popular compared to the leading product in their field. Therefore, replying to a question replying to a question with a question is hardly a flaw in reasoning nor an attempt to fool some of the people some of the time. Especially when the second question does not pay attention to the context of the first question. So in your opinion Popular == Good? I'm curious, do you think firefly was good? How about Arrested development? Neither of those were very popular, so they must not have been very good. You must think Justin Beiber, Twilight books, and Miley Cyrus are good then, because they appear to be very popular...

Icebaron

03.04.2012 , 02:47 PM \| #382	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by KingFastrod I am curious to know why all the hate for this game in this forum? I been playing for about a week now, and this is the most fun I have had with an mmo since I quit playing WoW. Most of us had a blast the first week.
What SWTOR space combat SHOULD be like

Esaru

03.04.2012 , 02:49 PM \| #383	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by Blackardin Define what you mean by this. It is a huge generalization that is both vague and overly broad. I can't answer if I have no idea what you are talking about. By this argument, every MMORPG is a failure based on its environmental featuers. What I can argue, based not on my opinion, but past MMORPGs is that the game, in five years, will be greatly advanced, and totally different then it was at release. I would contend that we have only visited a minute area of each planet as an aspect of leveling, and that additional areas will open as new expansions are released. You have still not supported your argument beyond conjecture. My counter contention is also speculation, but based on the natural progression of virtually every MMORPG. An example of this would be Wow, in which vast expansions of area, clases, content took place with each expansion released. Beyond that argument, once again, tihs is your opinion and has not, in any way, demonstrated that the game is a failure, just that you do not like it based on a number of aspects that you believe will make it better. That is fine. We are all entitled to our own opinion. However, when one attempts to pass opinion off as fact, then use that extrapolation as a means of promulgating their opinion into law, one should expect to have to demonstrate their point with some modicum of proof beyond what has been argued. Logical fallacy, Ad homiem. Never a good idea. ;p That was a funny read, especially the last couple of lines. All you really managed to say (while coming off as a pompous pseudo-intellectual) is that I need 'proof'. Well the proof is there, you just don't want to see it. Nothing I say or do will make you see it. Where's your 'proof' that the game is a 'living breathing MMORPG world'? Because you have yet to bring ANY evidence to the table. "Beyond that argument, once again, tihs is your opinion and has not, in any way, demonstrated that the game is a failure." is all I need to see to realize that you're not even listening to what I'm saying. I even specifically stated that I NEVER said this game was a failure and yet you continue to assume just that.
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JeramieCrowe

03.04.2012 , 02:50 PM \| #384	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by Tic- Yes, and when i say "match the content" i mean exactly that. Endgame, theres nothing here that seperates from it WoW, and from what i am seeing, nothing in the future Ilum, Outlaws Den, Space Content, all chances to seperate yourself... All really sad attempts Naw, lets go with rated BGs... err Warzones. Then you have missed out on all the interviews, summits, and statements constantly made by the devs that each of the 8 storylines are going to have continuing content (after all, when you reach 50, the end of Chapter 3, it says "Interlude") that will extend into endgame, that the writers already have a year's worth of content laid out, that more single-player content will be added to what's already on Ilum, that Live Events are coming, that content content content is on its way as early as 1.2, that more Flashpoints and Operations are already being added. So, we have a game here that launched with more endgame content than any other MMO, and more content is already coming down the pipe with no end of it in sight. I don't know how you missed all that.
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Andryah

03.04.2012 , 02:50 PM \| #385	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by Esaru It's not an opinion and frankly, it's not up for debate. Silliest statement in the forum this week, IMO. Setting aside your slew of ad hominen attacks (including what I quoted) upon the other forum member in your post...... EVERYTHING IS UP FOR DEBATE in an MMO general form. Because EVERYTHING POSTED IN A FORUM IS IN FACT SOMEONES OPINION.
When you find yourself surrounded by hostile Clowns... always go for the "Juggler" first.

iceperson

03.04.2012 , 02:52 PM \| #386	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by Andryah Because EVERYTHING POSTING IN A FORUM IS IN FACT SOMEONES OPINION. 2+2=4 discuss

krinaman

03.04.2012 , 02:53 PM \| #387	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by Tic- theres nothing here that seperates from it WoW, Ah, one of the two biggests complaints, which are: 1 - It's too much like WoW 2 - It's not enough like WoW

Andryah

03.04.2012 , 02:55 PM \| #388	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by krinaman Ah, one of the two biggests complaints, which are: 1 - It's too much like WoW 2 - It's not enough like WoW LOL.... Yup!
When you find yourself surrounded by hostile Clowns... always go for the "Juggler" first.

SirRobin

03.04.2012 , 02:55 PM \| #389	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by iceperson So in your opinion Popular == Good? I'm curious, do you think firefly was good? How about Arrested development? Neither of those were very popular, so they must not have been very good. You must think Justin Beiber, Twilight books, and Miley Cyrus are good then, because they appear to be very popular... Meh... Associating popularity with good is hardly uncalled for since I doubt, and reasonably so, that most of those leaving are thinking to themselves, "TOR is just too good of a game for me to keep paying for it."
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Esaru

03.04.2012 , 02:57 PM \| #390	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by Andryah Sillest statement in the forum this week, IMO. Setting aside your slew of ad hominen attacks (including what I quoted) upon the other forum member in your post...... EVERYTHING IS UP FOR DEBATE in an MMO general form. Because EVERYTHING POSTING IN A FORUM IS IN FACT SOMEONES OPINION. Oh, you can go ahead and debate it if you want - it doesn't mean you're right. Facts are often taken as 'opinion' because the opposing party won't accept it in the face of obvious evidence. This happens with everything in life, from religion to politics to mundane daily tasks. Are you trying to tell me that SWTOR is a huge, expansive world full of neat flora and fauna that really captures the essence of a living, breathing social world? Because if you said yes, even if it was your opinion, you'd essentially be wrong. I know it's hard to accept that an opinion can be wrong, but if it goes against evidence and is contrary to the reality of the situation, then you're damn right it can be. Having an opinion doesn't make you an indefensible special snowflake that cannot be challenged by reality and truth.
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