Why are so many people saying this game is bad?

And MMO's define games from WoW to All Points Bulletin, to Planetside, to Crimecraft and a whole host of other games that have really no endgame that's not just the same stuff you do all game.

Nothing about MMO says "raiding" or "endgame".

Again, their fault.

Yes I know what it stands for

Bioware is somewhat bending the traditional definition by design here and some are going to have an issue adjusting. That is of course only if 'raid or die' doesn't become the norm.

Have you played any other MMO from release? Rift set the gold standard for how MMO's should be released(nearly flawless) any serious MMO should model themselve around what trion did with that game. Its like saying that its ok to have a primered fender on the Ferrari you just payed $200,000 for nonsense!

Some people genuinely think this is a bad game.

Some people had absurd expectations.

Some people like to pick fights on forums.

Anyway all the level 50 endgame 'losers' right now are doing YOUR dirty work. Everyone on these boards should 100% be behind them and by not doing so you are shooting yourself in the foot. You will regret it one day when you are 1 of 7 people sitting in the Republic Fleet at 8 PM on a Saturday.

Its ridiculous.

Ok let me change my statement a bit. Successful, mainstream MMOs have relied on the endgame model in their game design. If they don't find that here some will adjust and some will leave. I'm not saying there won't be robust endgame eventually. For some it just isn't there yet.

If it's marketed purely for story then it should have been made as a single player game, not a sub-based mmo. The story is a nice feature that certainly will make levelling far less of a chore for some, but ultimately this is going to be a pretty shallow mmo if that's where all the focus goes...afterall, whether you rush through it or take your time, at some point everyone is going to have finished that part of the game.

Even if you don't rush, by the time the first sub cycle comes around most people will have completed at least 1 empire or republic story, if not one of each. Are that many people really going to continue their sub just for at most 20% new material each class?

Whether they've marketed for story or not, any fool can see their focus now needs to be on content, not just endgame, but fleshing out the whole experience so you have more freedom no matter what level bracket you sit in.

did you just compare coding an MMO to painting a fender? i would like you to elaborate for me because this is just mind boggling. literally thousands of files of coding = paint......

vast majority likes the game vast minority trolls the forums.

APB, Planetside and Crimecraft are all monetarily successful MMOs.

Actually, all MMOs currently running active servers are making money, not losing money, making them the definition of successful.

A game doesn't even need to be in the to 20 games to be successful, it simply must make money and not lose money for the company.

Personally, I'd prefer SWTOR be a more niche game as niche games have always been better for my type of play style over the popular "Lets try to shove everything in one game and do it all terribly" method that WoW and other modern MMOs use.

The "throw it at the wall and see what sticks" has never been the path to creating a truly great MMO that people remember with fondness.

Think of this:

Ex UO players remember UO fondly.
Ex DAOC players remember DAOC fondly.
Ex AC players remember AC fondly.

Ex WoW players generally hate the game venomously, myself included.

Sure, Blizzard made the most money, so does Country Music and artists like Britney Spears.

How much money you make doesn't mean anything about the quality of what you produce. We live in a society where most buy what's popular, not what they like. Worse yet, they begin to like what's popular and look to others to validate what they like.

I'd take a modern remake of DAOC with 300k subs over a 10 million sub game any day of the week.