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Please allow dual spec or cap respec costs.

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Lethality
01.09.2012 , 12:06 PM | #841
Quote: Originally Posted by DaxRendar View Post
Please Lethality, we've had some good discussions - it's disappointing to see you being petty
How am I getting petty? The top 10 was in response to a poster who couldn't be bothered to study the thread and bring themselves up to speed. So it was a quippy little reply to get things rolling.

I'm a reasonable person and I realize have some pretty utopian game design visions that aren't always practical in reality. I understand the need for dual spec (though wish it hadn't come to this.) So mostly what I want to do now is protect the sanctity of the single spec if you choose to "tough it out".

Hence, my proposal about bonus to those who don't change specs without taking anything away from those who do change specs.
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Lethality
01.09.2012 , 12:08 PM | #842
Quote: Originally Posted by invispoet View Post
Quote: Originally Posted by Lethality
#10: Influences generic, FOTM character builds
This is caused by poorly designed talent trees, not by the ability to dual spec.
Very true and precisely why I posted that players should be voicing their desire for all talent trees to be viable and competitive, not asking for a workaround like dual-spec which sidesteps the problem.
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Varghjerta
01.09.2012 , 12:14 PM | #843
Quote: Originally Posted by whodaskank View Post
You do realize what you just said here right? all classes here SHOULD be jack of all trades. The bottom line should come down to skill and aptitude with that character, not an unfair advantage over other classes.

I'm assuming that given your statement you have not played any other MMO's. If you create a class that is better than any others, guess what? Everyone and their mother will roll that class. Do you not see a problem there? 6 million BH's running around and no warriors, inquisitors, IA's?

It is a known fact that dps has a higher kill rate and will more than likely level faster than tank/healer specced players. In doing this, you create an army of dps players, as if that needed to be helped anyhow, and increase the shortage of players who are willing to respec every 10 seconds when someone needs a tank/healer for a FP or OPS that they need to run.

I imagine that most of the people against this are probably pure dps players. Before you start flaming, keep in mind I said MOST. I'm all for challenging game content, but slamming your keyboard against your head because you've spent 30 min in an area killing for a bonus mission and then watching some dps come in and destroy the entire room in 5 min leaving you 1 or 2 short of completing your mission is ridiculous. That's not challenging, that's just dumb. Dual spec didn't kill wow or any other MMO, mindless ************ about needless things will ultimately kill anything. And unless I"m mistaken, WoW is still alive.

Not every player is as hardcore as some of you. I understand you are just too leet for the game content and you want to fight NPC's with 100k health at lvl 1 with no companion while your character is naked. That's fine, you can do that, just leave me, and the rest of the tanks/healers out of your little reindeer games. If you don't like dual spec, don't use it. Something tells me you will though...

I said jack of all trades but with the exception that they should excel in 2 different things in the game.

But basicly youre suggestion let everyone and his mother should be able to Tank/heal within a press of a button while lvling up.....
Just because Dps is more popular
Why even bother with skill points in that case why not only do 2 buttons
Dps------------------Tank/Healer
And so what if DPS do kill things faster, Healers and Tanks do not kill slow in this game either instead we have great solobility calling lvling as a tank and healer hardcore just proves that you basicly havent touched either Tank or healer in this game
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Or are you complaining that someone do something s better then you in the game and that is unfair ?

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DaxRendar
01.09.2012 , 12:39 PM | #844
Quote: Originally Posted by Lethality View Post
Very true and precisely why I posted that players should be voicing their desire for all talent trees to be viable and competitive, not asking for a workaround like dual-spec which sidesteps the problem.
Dual Spec doesn't sidestep the problem though, because the problem is "Holy Trinity Class Designs with Talent Trees"

The only thing I can come up with would be for BW to ditch the Skill (Talent Point) System altogether and have every AC be equally good at two Roles at all times (not sure what to do with Gunslinger or Sentinel - maybe make them Support (Buffs/Debuffs) along with DPS, or maybe give GS Tank/DPS and Sentinel Heal/DPS so all Core Classes can fill each of the 3 Roles but each AC only 2 of the 3).

At that point, a Commando would always be both a Medic and a Weapons Specialist.

They could balance the Content around that, and respeccing wouldn't be needed.

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Kourage
01.09.2012 , 02:43 PM | #845
While we're at it, let's add a Profession Counselor so I can switch back & forth from Bounty Hunter to Sith Inquisitor !
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Durio
01.09.2012 , 02:50 PM | #846
Quote: Originally Posted by DaxRendar View Post

Quite simply... I HATE it.

But I do enjoy PvP.

Your attitude ("your spec MATTERS(tm) - you MUST play it at all times!!!") really pisses me off. You want me to have this mystical bond to my character, and then tell me to roll a F#$%ing 2nd Scoundrel just to PvP?!?! Or to not play my Scoundrel at all in PvP?!? Because it's somehow "good" for the game if I can't participate in it on my character the way I want reasonably? (and I'm sorry, leveling up the costs for respecs are INSANE).

You like your one spec. You think it's teh awesomez! Great, play it, keep it... just don't force it on me
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Absolutely this

And people will quit over it, you want people to quit the game just so you can have some old-school crap that nobody wants? It doesn't matter if the tree is 150% viable, I'd not want to tank in PvP even if it were completely overpowered because in PvP I want to kill stuff.

Want me to quit the game rather than just bend your stupid MMO-Dogma?

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Amuntoth
01.09.2012 , 03:18 PM | #847
I have been a tank/healer in every MMO I have played. From what I understand, those against Dual Spec would prefer that all of us tanks/healers that want to dual spec in order to pvp/pve with something different, just roll DPS. I'm sure that will be extremely helpful when everyone is having six hour waits because there isn't more than one or two tanks in the game.

I should not be punished because I am one of the FEW people that wants to play a very necessary roll. This is a Trinity MMO, tank, healer and DPS. DPS will ALWAYS be more numerous than healers, which are generally more numerous than tanks. Why would you want to discourage more people from tanking, and we're not just talking about bad/casual tanks. I LOVE to tank, but I also want to be able to experience the game in the same fun way that all the sheep that chose DPS get to experience it, not be stuck leveling in the slowest possible way.

Yes, I can group up with people and make sure that I never walk anywhere unless I have called three of my friends and gotten them to drop what they are doing and log in to help me, but that is a gimped leveling experience that you can compensate for. I guarantee that most of the DPS telling tanks/healers to just group up aren't spending EVERY moment of the game grouped. They are out killing things quickly and having a fun time leveling, and that is all we want.

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Varghjerta
01.09.2012 , 03:23 PM | #848
Quote: Originally Posted by Amuntoth View Post
I have been a tank/healer in every MMO I have played. From what I understand, those against Dual Spec would prefer that all of us tanks/healers that want to dual spec in order to pvp/pve with something different, just roll DPS. I'm sure that will be extremely helpful when everyone is having six hour waits because there isn't more than one or two tanks in the game.

I should not be punished because I am one of the FEW people that wants to play a very necessary roll. This is a Trinity MMO, tank, healer and DPS. DPS will ALWAYS be more numerous than healers, which are generally more numerous than tanks. Why would you want to discourage more people from tanking, and we're not just talking about bad/casual tanks. I LOVE to tank, but I also want to be able to experience the game in the same fun way that all the sheep that chose DPS get to experience it, not be stuck leveling in the slowest possible way.

Yes, I can group up with people and make sure that I never walk anywhere unless I have called three of my friends and gotten them to drop what they are doing and log in to help me, but that is a gimped leveling experience that you can compensate for. I guarantee that most of the DPS telling tanks/healers to just group up aren't spending EVERY moment of the game grouped. They are out killing things quickly and having a fun time leveling, and that is all we want.
Actually do we play the same game ?
What you said is true in other MMO's but actually not in this .

Both healers and tanks have a great solobility as it stands now thanks to the companions .

But it really does seem like many people are using the in WoW Tanks and healers sucked soloing so that must mean they suck in this game which is wrong

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MajikMyst
01.09.2012 , 03:32 PM | #849
Quote: Originally Posted by Amuntoth View Post
I have been a tank/healer in every MMO I have played. From what I understand, those against Dual Spec would prefer that all of us tanks/healers that want to dual spec in order to pvp/pve with something different, just roll DPS. I'm sure that will be extremely helpful when everyone is having six hour waits because there isn't more than one or two tanks in the game.

I should not be punished because I am one of the FEW people that wants to play a very necessary roll. This is a Trinity MMO, tank, healer and DPS. DPS will ALWAYS be more numerous than healers, which are generally more numerous than tanks. Why would you want to discourage more people from tanking, and we're not just talking about bad/casual tanks. I LOVE to tank, but I also want to be able to experience the game in the same fun way that all the sheep that chose DPS get to experience it, not be stuck leveling in the slowest possible way.

Yes, I can group up with people and make sure that I never walk anywhere unless I have called three of my friends and gotten them to drop what they are doing and log in to help me, but that is a gimped leveling experience that you can compensate for. I guarantee that most of the DPS telling tanks/healers to just group up aren't spending EVERY moment of the game grouped. They are out killing things quickly and having a fun time leveling, and that is all we want.

See.. Here is what is wrong with your post.. First.. This isn't WOW.. People can DPS and PVP in their normal PVE spec.. Bioware specifically designed it that way.. So there really is no PVP spec.. All specs have their benifits and draw backs.. But all are viable in PVP.. Nobody is going to be waiting 6 hours for tanks and healers either.. Most raid leaders, at least the good ones, make sure they they have the right peeps from the start.. But this game also has companions.. Which can be switched out at any time.. They also come in tank, heals, and DPS flavors..

Nobody is punishing you.. But if are to lazy to roll a character for each type of play.. Why play an MMO?? Nobody should have a character that just does it all and Bioware shouldn't cater to those that want one.. Again you need to play this game.. Tanks do pretty close to the same damage as a dedicated DPS.. All tank and healer classes are viable.. You are also forgetting about companions.. If you are a tank, then either take a healing or DPS companion with you.. PVE is not impossible as a tank or a healer in this game.. It is quite fun.. You really need to try the game.. Your preconceived ideas are simply wrong..

As for the last part of your post?? Not much to say there.. Other than you clearly haven't played this game to long.. Not to worry.. Most people haven't.. It is has only been out for a few weeks.. You should give it some time.. Learn the game and the companions system.. Not to mention at least one character.. You might find that most of your arguements are moot.. Or at the very least apply to another MMO and not this one..
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Yummymango
01.09.2012 , 03:35 PM | #850
I just dont understand the reasoning behind people against dual spec. There is a thing called pvp in the game and I dont do PVE with same spec I do PVP. I want to have 2 specs so that I can switch my spec accordingly.

Even PVE, whats wrong with having 2 specs like Tank/dps, DPS/healer etc.
Many boss encounters require 1 tank, so in that case second tank and switch to dps and switch back to the encounter where it requires 2 tanks.

If you are a person who thinks that there should not be a dual spec, please roll a second BH just for healing and keep current for dps. Do you think it makes any kind of sense.

This should be an option and people who are against it should not go for it. Simple as that.