Please allow dual spec or cap respec costs.

Guild paying for respec is fine, thats right and actually what we do.
But I AM forced to respec because my damage would be to low and mob enrages.
If you are doing 16 man Raids and you have 16 or more people in your guild you need 1, Tank, 4 Healers and 11 DDs for Raids BUT 4 Tanks, 4 Healers and 8 DDs for Flashpoints. So you have 3 people who have to respec all the time. It's getting even worse the bigger the guild is. This problem would go away with Dual Spec.

And what's wrong about dual spec? I don't get why people are against it or why Bioware did not implement it right at the beginning. I almost regret that I made a tank in this game. Every DD can do everything of the end content (Raiding, PvP and Flashpoints) with one spec while I have to respec all the time. So it's imbalanced and also unfair.

Edit: Actually Dual Spec is a decisive point for my subscription. It's not the only one and I don't say that I will quit this game if they don't implement dual spec or Feature XY. But I want to be tank and at the moment it's no fun to be one except when you are THE ONE of the guild.

That risks losing subscribers, I don't think they'd want that.

They can already do that.

Your feelings or anyone else's is not a valid argument, it doesn't break or imbalance the game, you just get upset.

No No No No.

Giving an advantage for time spent in a particular spec will be game breaking, see my previous posts. Cosmetic advantages, don't care, you can have them if it keeps you happy but no skill or stat advantages.

Wow good point. I didn't even realize this.

Which is most likely to happen, I 100% agree with you....Dual Spec
Now will you agree with me it is not the RIGHT thing to do?

I've never argued that it won't happen, i'm sure it will, it's the easy band-aid to a bigger problem.


Also for Normal i don't think it'd take much tweaking, I've ran many FP normal without the holy trinity. Usually just takes above average players...or average players that can think outside of "i need to do just this one thing", like even if i was cranking out some dps, i can still drop heals when needed etc. My experience with Hard/Nightmare is limited so i can't speak to it.

I think it's a lot like sports.
You can have a QB that just throws and throws well, but it's nice to have one that knows when to run and doesn't just have to take a knee when he can't throw.
Or a running back that can do more than take a hand off.

In MMOS we play QB you throw, always throw, if you ever do something other than throw you are n00b and everyone rages.
RB...you run...always run...you run good, if you try to pass block or god forbid run a pass route we'll kill you!! catching passes is for wide receivers!!

Then the whole problem about people wanting to change specs more often than their underwear would be solved then wouldn't it?

There is no unfair advantage. The option is open to all players equally - should you choose to pursue it, just like loot. You have to put in the effort though.

Oh trust me, that wasn't me
(It was Lethality)

I support Legacy Bonuses or Orange Gear Sets being earned, but nothing that impacts acutal in-game performance as the draconian min-maxers will enforce it as a necessity rather than a choice

One thing I've noticed as interesting in this thread for anybody still reading - We've only been talking about Dual Spec.

I know Munchy won't like it, but how do people feel about only allowing a Single Spec but the ability to save multiple Skill Builds/Quickbar layouts and vastly reduced (Cr 100-500 total) Respec Costs?

People are still mildly inconvenienced by having to return to Fleet to switch, and I think it would likely be enough of a hindrance to prevent the greatest majority of players from doing it (especially) in between Encounters or for Heroic Zones, but it would let people swap for PvP/PvE much easier, or at the beginning of a run to form a group.

The simplest way I can answer that is to say I grow ever more impatient for the day Guild Wars 2 comes out (a game system you might very much hate but one that for me solves many of the issues I have with MMO Designs)

I think Dual Spec is the "right" thing for BW to do, based on the choices they've already made on how they designed SWTOR.

Do I think they made the right choices initially? Well no actually I don't. I think they've put together a very fun game that I'm enjoying quite a bit, and one I hope to enjoy playing for a long time (even after GW2 comes out), but I most definitely would've done things differently

Loot requires you play the game and do well to get it, your suggestion just means watching the /played timer and poof you've got a stat bonus.

You seem to be mistaking "Tedious" for "Challenging". You also seem to be mistaking "Convenience" with "Lack of Challenge". Both are very common mistakes, and I can't figure out the brain process that leads to such a thought. Perhaps all forms of quick travel should be removed too, right? Because the tediousness of walking for 20 minutes through enemies 20 levels lower than you adds challenge, right?

I find the lack of dual spec a bit concerning. It doesn't add difficulty, it adds tediousness. It's less time spent enjoying the game, and more time spent fighting the game. This is good...how? Once you start forcing people to level up a new character every time they want to do something their CURRENT CHARACTER can do, you start adding the grind back into the game. Leveling is no longer enjoyable, it's a chore. This is a good thing...how?

Before complaining about people wanting some form of convenience, think about it. Does the convenience being proposed remove challenge or tediousness? If it removes both, is there a method to preserve challenge while removing tediousness? In this case, dual (or tri, or quad, or fifty trillion!) spec removes the tedious nature of being locked into spec's, while not removing the challenge of the game.

See? Ideas like that? Good compromise. Now I'm not sure how much credits are actually worth, so I can't comment about the cost, but the "tediousness" of respeccing is removed, which is the biggest complaint. I don't see any purpose being actually served by requiring us to head to fleet to respec, but it's better than the current option.

Leveling the same AC over again to play a dif spec is not challenging its tedious. end of story.