Please allow dual spec or cap respec costs.

If you are willing to pay a king's ransom for dual spec...which i'm assuming this wording is to show that you aren't lazy and are willing to pay for changing your mind (changing your spec).
Then cool, i'm all for a dual spec option that every time you swtich between specs it charges you the current systems respec cost. Then you are paying your kings ransom as you said you are willing to, and you aren't lazy because you are paying to change your mind.
I would be 100% okay with this model...would you? or are you not quite willing to pay that king's ransom?

No one said you can't play the way you want, you can switch between those two specs all the time and I don't have to ever switch my spec. So the ability to do what you want is in game, assuming all you want is the ability to switch specs. Now if you want the ability to switch specs for FREE (lazy) then that isn't in game.

if you like playing the whole game then you'd make another character.
It's more accurate that some of you would like to be able to do all the end game content from every angle without paying the leveling price of admission. Lazy.

I'm not satisfied that you're lazy slobs. (that's assuming that you don't agree to pay that kings ransom everytime you switch between your specs in dual spec...if you are willingto pay for it then ignore this.) It's lazy slobs like this that ruined wow, that made MMO's a cash grab industry where everyone releases a WoW clone. Features like this will lead to dungeon finder etc. The pull the game from being an MMORPG into being a slow paced 3rd person shooter. It's ruining the genre.

Like I said earlier the anti-dual spec crowds arguments I've seen so far have all boiled down to:

"Even though we wouldn't be forced to use dual spec, I still don't like the idea of other players using it because it bothers me."

Let's wrap this thread up guys, SlickDevlan has spoken, Dual Spec doesn't affect him but it's "still stupid."

What's the deal with the lazy slob personal attacks?

Time's change, industries change, genres change. Maybe you should aim some of that vitriol elsewhere?

LMAO...please stop with the idea that ALTS are the answer.

a) Dual Spec should be similar to buying the Speeder Skill. A one time very high cost limited to level 50's. That's the King's Ransom I mean.

b) This would not in any way impact you. If you love being a DPS in PVE the ability to perhaps Tank or Heal or the option to use a PVP spec doesn't change anything. You won't ever use the option. You'll still be a PVE DPS.

Someone please tell us how you're gameplay would actually be ruined by this. Saying it's bad design, laziness, ruins the MMO genre etc are not answsers because those are feelings. How does it effect YOU?

Thank you for your hostile, insulting, and ultimately destructive attitude.


This is an MMORPG, not just a single player one. It is heavily-modeled after WoW. There are no "meaningful choices" or "consequences" in the game.

Don't believe me? Why do you "get better" when you die? Why can you hit [ESC] to start a conversation over and completely change your choices? Why can you do the same Flashpoint over and over and over with the same bosses and mobs and nothing changes?

Alert the media! All beauty shops, barber shops, and cosmetic stores MUST be closed immediately because it is "hard" no I mean "almost impossible" to change your makeup or hairstyle!!!
(See, two can play at insane sarcasm )


You can make the argument that DAoC was a much-better designed game than SWTOR or WoW (and on some points I'd likely agree with you too), but SWTOR is a WoW-like Themepark with Flashpoint/Operation/Warzone "mini-games" and a large portion of the community are going to play it as that type of game and expect those features that come along with that choice to be supported.

I would have preferred they design the game without Talent Trees or a Class System, but it is the game it is and as BW seemed to care a lot about making the game "WoW-like" you are going to have to accept that flexible respeccing/dual specs are a part of that.

Why do you think Dual Spec was added to WoW? It wasn't done on a whim. It was done because the game population suffered from a severe shortage of Tanks and Healers and it was implemented to address that.

If you honestly think that SWTOR - a game with 4-person groups that require at least 1 Tank and Healer per group - is going to achieve that proper class distribution in the population and maintain healthy group play long term without Dual Spec or cheap respeccing, you are simply in denial or delusional. People are already complaining about the lack of Tanks/Healers and that problem will only get worse, not better.

Most people play games for enjoyment, for fun, for relaxation. To attack people playing a game for being "lazy" clearly show that the issues you are presenting with regards to Dual Spec are your personal problems and not actually design issues or things that will break the game.

So you're worried about getting shut out of groups? That's a valid concern, but that's something that happens whether Dual Spec is available in the game or not, and Dual Spec actually allows for the creation of many more viable groups in the Community than when it isn't present. You might not agree. You might not like it. But that IS a fact.

At least your honest in your position. You want a game where your choices really matter. SWTOR offers teeny little teases your way, but if you are honest - choices don't really matter.

Sorry, flexibility and a healthy player base will be much better in the long term health of SWTOR than a total game population of 2,000 people who love that their choices "mattered" - kinda

I understand what it's titled.
I'm trying to understand you're side of it.

How is it that changing one attribute of a character is okay but not others?

I see changing spec no different than race, class, level, stats, pvp rank, etc... it is a character defining attribute.

Notice no one is asking for the other ones? why not? why is spec so dang important?

And again I have explained how dual spec negatively impacts me twice now.
If I choose not to use it I am limited to only filling 1 role, while someone else isn't.
You're response will be that it was my choice to not use the dual spec system and I have to live with the consequences of those choices or choose to use it. I 100% agree. I MADE A DECISION AND I MUST LIVE WITH THE CONSEQUENCES OF IT.

I also say it was the players choice where to spend their talent points and they should deal with it or choose to pay the cost of respecing. Which is currently implemented in the game yet isn't good enough for you?

In it's current model the negative impact to me as a player is marginalized as the cost keeps people from just changing their role on a whim. Again I believe the current system is fine as it is. The ability to change specs is there, it just cost, the more you want to change the more it cost. That seems fair to me. I don't want to change, so it cost me nothing. I'm a healer, if a spot for a healer is open and some DPS wants to respec to healer spec to compete for that spot...fine, as of now he has to pay for that ability to compete for a slot i'm viable for...so we're even. Dual spec allows that player to switch to compete for a spot I am viable for without cost.

Again i'm not against changing specs, i'm against changing specs for free. Dual spec is changing specs for free. Unless it cost you to switch, then i'm okay with that. The original topic though was whining that the cost keeps going up because they have to keep switching specs....no they CHOSE to switch specs, and that's the cost of changing your mind.

Having PVP spec in reserve is quite different than having spec in reserve for every PVE aspect of the game as many have pointed out earlier however indirectly.

By all means have the free reserve spec slot for PVP if it is restricted to PVP only but do not allow such for PVE content other than the one that needs some running and credits. This also may be the case what they may implemet in future or something like that.

Thank you DaxRendar for putting this so eloquently. I think this sums up things quite nicely.

Dont let the door hit you on the way out.

The lazy slob was a quote from the guy i was responding too, it was not my own words. I should have put it in quotes.

I do believe that people wanting Dual Spec over the current system are lazy, but I believe that is an unarguable point.

Current System...you want to change from spec A to spec B, you pay.
Proposed system...you want to change, you get it for free.

Wanting something for nothing is lazy. I'm not sure how anyone can argue that.

Also change isn't always for good...so trying to justify that we should just go with it because that's what happens is a horrible argument.

Times change....Germany changed when Hitler took over...that was for the good right?
Industries change...remember the "New Coke" back in the 80's....it was a change and it failed horribly.

Change isn't always good.