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Hero Engine: why?


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IAmJakub
02.07.2012 , 07:34 PM | #741
Quote: Originally Posted by MillionsKNives View Post
The engine can do whatever they make it do. It's not a black box, they have full source access to change anything they want to in it. In fact I'm sure the majority of that code is actually theirs now. They'll likely fix optimization given time, just like WoW has improved theirs over time.
I love the optimism and I wish I could share it, but realistically this kind of thinking only gives BW a free pass to delay any such actions indefinitely. They have not even openly admitted there is an FPS problem when there are multiple people on screen in WZs/Illum etc.

Even their recently released guide just briefly mentioned this with a comment that low GPU usage should be expected as majority of heavy lifting in this scenarios should be done by the CPU. My understanding is that the game engine in the current form is not even able to utilize any modern day quad core or better CPUs. (so really the poor performance is still not the end user's problem and rather for Bioware to fix).

Anyway how about we take a more common sense approach and all unsub until all these things are fixed so we dont have to pay for our wait in the meantime, especially when nobody can tell how long are we to be waiting for.

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Mogitu
02.07.2012 , 07:42 PM | #742
Quote: Originally Posted by dysann View Post
In any event, no professional company in the mmo genre has ever released a product with such glaring fps issues as this one.
this ur first mmo i guess or even one of your first pc games altogether.

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Kjetl
02.07.2012 , 07:44 PM | #743
Quote: Originally Posted by Kugruk View Post
Nope, it's worse than you think. WAR used DAOC's engine.
DAoC used NetImmersion initially then "upgraded" to Gambryo with ToA.

War used Gamebryo

HERO's big claims to fame are:
1) it makes it easy to do collaborative development (e.g. over the internet)
2) they can host everything, including CS and billing
3) HORRIBLE FPS and performance

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wrmrstacrdwower
02.07.2012 , 07:49 PM | #744
Quote: Originally Posted by Sunsoar View Post
Many reasons probably. To try and prove that is still a top engine (hasnt been for years). More likely though is to save money. We lose in the end
We don't lose Bioware and EA do by failing to deliver on yet another MMO, at least from EA's part, and showing the MMO/Gaming Community exactly what kind of design and development teams Bioware has.
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Amiracle
02.07.2012 , 08:09 PM | #745
Quote: Originally Posted by astronaute View Post
So... we are doomed regarding the character responsiveness ?

If yes, I don't think I'll stay long time...

Games developed with HeroEngine

Faxion Online
Star Wars: The Old Republic from BioWare[11]


Unreleased games being developed with HeroEngine

Hero's Journey - Company's game the engine was developed for.
Origins - Developed by Burning Dog
Dominus by PitchBlack Games[12]
The Repopulation - Being developed by Above and Beyond Technologies
Visions of Zosimos by Forever Interactive


What is Faxion and how well did it do for Bio to look at all the metrics and say this is the one.

This pic looks like it came from SW:ToR. Allot of the pics from the game Dominus looks like SW:ToR.

http://www.dominusthegame.com/media/screenshots/

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VenthiosLestaran
02.07.2012 , 08:11 PM | #746
Quote: Originally Posted by Amiracle View Post
Games developed with HeroEngine

Faxion Online
Star Wars: The Old Republic from BioWare[11]


Unreleased games being developed with HeroEngine

Hero's Journey - Company's game the engine was developed for.
Origins - Developed by Burning Dog
Dominus by PitchBlack Games[12]
The Repopulation - Being developed by Above and Beyond Technologies
Visions of Zosimos by Forever Interactive


What is Faxion and how well did it do for Bio to look at all the metrics and say this is the one.

This pic looks like it came from SW:ToR. Allot of the pics from the game Dominus looks like SW:ToR.

http://www.dominusthegame.com/media/screenshots/
Yeah look at the HD textures. That alien species looks really cool, like some kind of guy made out of organic crystal or..like, glowing vines. Pretty neat. The graphics are similar but undeniably better in these screen shots.
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neocoma
02.07.2012 , 08:15 PM | #747
Quote: Originally Posted by Tokeee View Post
Why did you choose an Engine that wasn't developed to your exact specifications? I mean, EA and BW make enough, you could have outsourced your Engine development and made the engine fit your game.

Instead, you chose the lazy way and are trying to make a game fit an engine. Not only that, you picked a terrible single-threaded engine that can't even process commands before animations finish, hence all of the ability delay rage you're seeing.


Seriously. Blizzard built an engine to fit their game, they're billions (trillions yet?) richer. You didn't, and you're missing out on Billions in part due to this decision.
Why?
You know ..they could have used a "good" engine. At least Unreal Engine dont bring up that many problems. TERA looks good doesnt it? So does Blade and Soul.

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Amiracle
02.07.2012 , 08:16 PM | #748
Bottom left hand pic, looks like a frozen planet that I have already seen...)

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seallone
02.07.2012 , 08:18 PM | #749
Quote: Originally Posted by Qoaa View Post
AMEN I have a good gaming pc

and everything is slow loading, major lag if you play for long time due to memory leak

I play a lot, being disabled it allows it haha, but after 3 hours of gameplay the game is eating over 2 gigs of ram and slows to a crawl.

oh and don't log out using quit button in game it takes FOREVER for the game client to quit.


what I do is alt tab, open task manager and end task on swtor.exe then the game instantly exits.


then i relog for another 3 hours of gameplay before the memory leak monster eats it all up again.


and this is on a SSD hard drive.

Yeah but have you got DX installed and installed all update's and done the repair, If not its your problem. Not BW YOURS.
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Sarfux
02.07.2012 , 08:24 PM | #750
Why? Because heroengine rocks. That's why...the more BioWare will be updating it, staking out performance issues, the smoother it will be. I have NO problem with anything in this game with performance.

Yes I know, just because I don't doesn't mean everyone doesn't. I love the heroengine and I know BW will continue to do lots of good work on it!
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