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Loot rules? need and greed with companions

ciesle's Avatar

12.13.2011 , 10:58 AM | #41
First and formost is clearly stating it when group is formed - it won't take that long......

I like to when grouped with people i don't know is need roll on everything and tell them to as well... everyone needs credits, and there is an AH. you can always ask for an item and or swap with group members.

if it is my friends its need only if you are going to use it, mains first. meaning you may be playing an alt but we know your main. if they need something that your alt can not use I trust you as my friend to need roll on it properly, everything else is greed roll. However with my guild and friends I will almost always give them things before placing on the AH so that shows my thoughts on the need greed thing.

Chackey's Avatar

12.13.2011 , 10:59 AM | #42
Depends on if you had your companion active in the quest/flashpoint?
If you did not then it's Greed tbh.
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Buddydudeguy's Avatar

12.13.2011 , 11:02 AM | #43
Quote: Originally Posted by ciesle View Post
everyone needs credits, and there is an AH.
I really can't stand arse hats that need on crafting items cuz they " need it".
I don't care what your profession is, if you're going to need on crafting items, then I will need roll cuz I "need" the credits I can get putting it on the AH.

If it's not an upgrade for your character, it is a greed.

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Tachyonsaint's Avatar

12.13.2011 , 11:17 AM | #44
Quote: Originally Posted by Ikkeditnavn View Post
'Need for companion' as a loot option becomes progressively less and less viable as we level up. Once we have all our companions we can argue to any group that one of our companions need any gear (since our companions cover all stats and gear options), and as such it just become the next Greed.

It isn't needed, simple as that. Greed covers the option well enough. And if you truly and desperately need said gear for your companion, then ask if you can need on it. Just Needing after everyone else have passed/greeded is bad form as the others might be Greeding on account of their companions. Thus you just put yourself ahead of them.

Preferably set up rules ahead of runs.
Character is the only one for Need, and then only if you can equip it. Using it for crafting is greed.
Greed is for companion, or ask the group to pass or if they have already done the quick click to clear the window, ask them to trade it to you. Most of the class quests also have specific companion loot that drops as end rewards.
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SirArion's Avatar

12.13.2011 , 11:24 AM | #45
Quote: Originally Posted by Millerbros View Post
Just consider the companion as an extension of your own character. If your companion needs it then you need it.
Heck NO! If you need it then Need, if your companion needs it then Greed.

With people getting 5 companions EVERYTHING could be claimed Need.
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lucasomega's Avatar

12.13.2011 , 11:29 AM | #46
It's definitely going to spark heavy debate on all sides. If you group within a guild, I cannot imagine it will be an issue. PUGs are a different story altogether.

I say the best way to handle it would be to have the loot rules set and agreed upon before ever pulling the first mob in PUGs. This won't eliminate ninja looting altogether, but it wouldn't hurt as some people are simply going to be confused by having a companion. Some think of it as an extension of their own character and will argue that the companion gear is just as important in that respect.

I really don't believe that adding a companion need button would change anything. For all intents and purposes, it's just a duplicate greed button and not necessary. Yes, it would be considered a tier above greed rolls; however, that really just eliminates the usefulness of the greed button. One could make an argument that every piece of gear is an upgrade for their companion(s), and he/she wouldn't be wrong for doing so. Every class gets a companion(s) for each type; healer, tank, and DPS. I feel that greed would become an obsolete button, replaced by the companion need button.

One thing I am unclear on since I haven't been able to play yet is whether or not BioWare implemented loot that is restricted to class. For example, can Bounty Hunters still roll on lightsabers? I'd rather BioWare implement a system that restricts classes from rolling need on gear they can't personally equip, before worrying any further about companion loot. I think if classes can't roll need on gear outside of their own use, it will eliminate a ton of debate of the need/greed rules of companion loot.

SnowHeart's Avatar

12.13.2011 , 11:34 AM | #47
Our guild has a rule that a primary toon comes before anything else (companion or alt). If you have a companion that would benefit, you can "need" it but only if nobody else in the group needs it for their primary. The logic being how would you feel if you needed it for your primary, but someone else only needs it for their companion and won the "need" roll? Might be kinda irked, no?

Nukeo's Avatar

12.13.2011 , 11:42 AM | #48
It will lead to a mess, people are self centered, getting some piece for their companion will be infinitely more important to some than allowing another player even a massive upgrade. If you've played WoW you've seen this behavior before, although in WoW it was more MS vs OS or occasionally alts vs mains in raiding. Still this will lead to a mess, your companion is for your luxury and to ease solo game play, still people will obsess about getting theirs the best gear possible regardless of the fact they're stealing it from someone who would immediately equip it.

intheolddayz's Avatar

12.13.2011 , 11:48 AM | #49
"Need option" should be blocked if the gear's primary stats doesent fit with your character class like a trooper rolling for gear with high willpower or a sith rolling for a blaster.

Fainflinnn's Avatar

12.13.2011 , 11:51 AM | #50
Taking gear from a player for an NPC isn't right.
If your creating a group to run anything best is just to set loot rules from the start before the first boss and if someone breaks that groups rules remove them from group.
All loot until operations is gonna be fairly useless anyways so if anyone wants to gear there companions over a player right now its better to get them off your friends list early