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How did Han get to Bespin with no light speed?

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How did Han get to Bespin with no light speed?

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austringer
01.04.2012 , 09:47 AM | #21
Are you under the impression that Jupiter doesn't have a surface? The incorrect impression I might add?

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Sithica
01.04.2012 , 11:04 AM | #22
The most simple answer is that yes, it's a plot hole. They can't be in the Anoat system because they were in the Hoth system and they didn't have a working hyperdrive, which was a pretty major plot point. George Lucas screwed this, and a few other things (like the 12 parsec Kessel Run) up because he was a movie director, not an astrophysicist, and people have been scrambling to cover his arse over it for years. Hence all the desperate theories and explanations offered by the hack writers of the EU novels which have been repeated so often over the years that they've become "canon".

The thing is, no-one cares when Arnold Schwarzenegger fires 3000 bullets from a 200 round belt of machinegun ammo, because it's just a movie. Star Wars, like Star Trek, attracts fans that aren't satisfied unless they can come up with a theory as to why his machinegun can get 3000 bullets out a 200 round belt. This can get taken to an extreme. Check out the Star Wars Technical Commentaries, by Curtis Saxton, a theoretical astrophysicist with way too much time on his hands.

Plus, it categorically proves that a Star Destroyer would kick the Enterprises' *** any day of the week.

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Wolfninjajedi
01.04.2012 , 11:15 AM | #23
Quote: Originally Posted by Sithica View Post
The most simple answer is that yes, it's a plot hole. They can't be in the Anoat system because they were in the Hoth system and they didn't have a working hyperdrive, which was a pretty major plot point. George Lucas screwed this, and a few other things (like the 12 parsec Kessel Run) up because he was a movie director, not an astrophysicist, and people have been scrambling to cover his arse over it for years. Hence all the desperate theories and explanations offered by the hack writers of the EU novels which have been repeated so often over the years that they've become "canon".

The thing is, no-one cares when Arnold Schwarzenegger fires 3000 bullets from a 200 round belt of machinegun ammo, because it's just a movie. Star Wars, like Star Trek, attracts fans that aren't satisfied unless they can come up with a theory as to why his machinegun can get 3000 bullets out a 200 round belt. This can get taken to an extreme. Check out the Star Wars Technical Commentaries, by Curtis Saxton, a theoretical astrophysicist with way too much time on his hands.

Plus, it categorically proves that a Star Destroyer would kick the Enterprises' *** any day of the week.
No....they were not in the Hoth System and its not a plot hole when clearly Han states they were in the Anoat system. The Anoat system is located between Hoth and Bespin, so they didn't need to travel far to get there.
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Sithica
01.04.2012 , 12:57 PM | #24
Ok, I'll spell this one out clearly for the hard of thinking. Yes, Han clearly states they're in the Anoat system. But they took off from the Hoth system. Without a hyperdrive. This is not possible unless they spent a year or two crawling along at sublight speeds or found a handy wormhole or Gree jumpgate everyone forgot to tell us about. Therefore either:

a) Han's full of $hit and/or can't read a navigation computer.
or
b) Lucas got some trivial detail wrong that only obsessive fanboy apologists care about and everyone's been scrambling to cover his arse about it for the last thirty years.

This is pretty much the definition of what a plot hole is. So yes, it is a plot hole, and it'll still be a plot hole regardless of how many different desperate explanations people come up with to attempt to justify a simple script error in a fantasy movie.

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Pirate_Ron
01.04.2012 , 12:57 PM | #25
Quote: Originally Posted by Wolfninjajedi View Post
No....they were not in the Hoth System and its not a plot hole when clearly Han states they were in the Anoat system. The Anoat system is located between Hoth and Bespin, so they didn't need to travel far to get there.
You got it. Both Hoth and Bespin are in the Anot Sector

Here's a map. http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/File:AnoatSectorMap.jpg

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Wolfninjajedi
01.04.2012 , 12:59 PM | #26
Quote: Originally Posted by Sithica View Post
Ok, I'll spell this one out clearly for the hard of thinking. Yes, Han clearly states they're in the Anoat system. But they took off from the Hoth system. Without a hyperdrive. This is not possible unless they spent a year or two crawling along at sublight speeds or found a handy wormhole or Gree jumpgate everyone forgot to tell us about. Therefore either:

a) Han's full of $hit and/or can't read a navigation computer.
or
b) Lucas got some trivial detail wrong that only obsessive fanboy apologists care about and everyone's been scrambling to cover his arse about it for the last thirty years.

This is pretty much the definition of what a plot hole is. So yes, it is a plot hole, and it'll still be a plot hole regardless of how many different desperate explanations people come up with to attempt to justify a simple script error in a fantasy movie.
Yes the Anoat system isn't that far from Hoth, they didn't need to travel that far from Hoth to get into the Anoat system and then go to Bespin.

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You got it. Both Hoth and Bespin are in the Anot Sector

Here's a map. http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/File:AnoatSectorMap.jpg
Thank you Pirate.
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Sithica
01.04.2012 , 01:09 PM | #27
Oh right. So they only had to travel two stars away according to a made-up map with zero credentials at sublight speeds in a week or two. Well when you put it like that it all makes so much sense.

/facepalm

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PicklesJohnson
01.04.2012 , 01:32 PM | #28
I think without any kind of Faster than Light travel the travel would be impossible. I mean look at the distances you travel within the game to go from say Hoth to Dromund Kaas, its like 17017 parasecs...something like that, it was one of those cross galaxy destinations I did.

So 17017 x 3.26(parasec) = 55475.42 Light Years, so at the speed of light...its 55,475.42 years of travel...think about it.


Now to something a bit more on topic, http://www.starwarsmap.com/official_...universe_1.jpg

Look in the lower left of the map, Outer Rim. They are pretty close, so at sub-light speeds, Anoat to Bespin, is possible

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Riggnas
01.04.2012 , 01:54 PM | #29
To shorten what Sithica said: It's a damn movie, movies have things that make no sense for the act of storytelling or entertainment.

And concerning the Turbolaser thing. YES it is superheated gas. BUT HOW COME IT MAKES A PEW PEW PEW SOUND?

There is no way for sound to travel in a vacuum.

Anyway love the movies and love this game. take it for what it is.

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Riggnas
01.04.2012 , 01:55 PM | #30
How did Indiana Jones get on that Island anyway?