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The Expertise stat has to go...

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TUXs
01.23.2012 , 09:49 AM | #821
Quote: Originally Posted by Lymain View Post
We were told pre-release that skill would trump gear in this game, but it takes a ridiculous skill gap to trump the huge difference gear makes. All gear should be toned down, but unfortunately it may be too late for that.
No doubt lol - that was a bit of a stretch wasn't it...

Gear makes ALL the difference. 25% more health, 10-25% more damage/defense...
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Requimo
01.23.2012 , 09:49 AM | #822
It is there so that people can't farm pvp to get gear for pve and skip the half of the pve proggression (which still happens to a degree sadly).

And it is there to prevent players who farm pve gears to **** faces in pvp. It is an easy way to make a seperation between pve and pvp.

Btw in this game

GRIND = ADVANTAGE

There is no competetive gameplay here. If you really want a competetive pvp experience, you won'T find it in this contemporary MMOs. They all prioritize grind over skill.

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Thrones
01.23.2012 , 09:50 AM | #823
Quote: Originally Posted by Gwal View Post
Making it so someone in full PvP gear can do well in T1 raids but will need better PvE gear to progress in PvE is ok because it encourages linear progression. There is no linear progression in 3 war zones and Illum. No one would object to expertise if it was like an FPS ranking system where better players fight better opponents as they progress. It's simply a grind war. Why should I be able to faceroll someone because they spent time with the wife/kids/gf rather than grinding for a stat advantage, you don't even need to win the war zones you fight in to get this gear just put in the hours.
A linear system for pvp isnt bad at all, but people dont like the rated system either. They hate arena and they hate ranked warzone.
I play a healer in pvp atm, i dont faceroll anyone. I really want a competitive style of play where i dont have to fight bad geared people when im decked out in pvp gear. (Which im not, rank 40 with 2 pieces and 20 bags opened)

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ChaoslegionX
01.23.2012 , 09:51 AM | #824
Quote: Originally Posted by DarthDerpDerp View Post
51 pages later...and the point is still:

I raid, and want to make that why I pwn at pvp...not my time spent as a pvp'er.

/thread
My pointis that i want to pvp not raid and not get craped on by someone who raids

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Thrones
01.23.2012 , 09:52 AM | #825
Quote: Originally Posted by Requimo View Post

GRIND = ADVANTAGE

There is no competetive gameplay here. If you really want a competetive pvp experience, you won'T find it in this contemporary MMOs. They all prioritize grind over skill.
I'd say there wasn't any grind in WoW's arena. Only unbalanced setups
But atleast for some of us, the better you were...the more gear and faster you got it.

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Roast-Beast
01.23.2012 , 09:53 AM | #826
i say the 25 man ops groups should drop the same gear as battlemaster!!!


oh wait no.... i dont....

oh the game the way it is.. is good? hard concept.

initially i hated pvp "stats" wow had a stupid thing called resilience the dumbest stat of all mmo's in history of mmo's. bioware got it right with their pvp stats.


Increased damage Increased damage taken, increased heals.


*you get the gear from completing games not from being good at pvp.... if you want pvp gear go pvp. if i want raid gear i raid. thats why i have 2 sets.


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DarthDerpDerp
01.23.2012 , 09:54 AM | #827
Chaoslegion, I believe you missed my point, but this doesn't always convey tone the best.

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Halvos
01.23.2012 , 09:54 AM | #828
They need to just remove gear from the equation completely in regards to PvP. Everyone's stats, depending on class, should be normalized to a certain point. Similar to how the bolster system works. This way PvP is actually based on skill. It fixes the problems of PvE people coming in and destroying everyone. It also makes it so new level 50's can jump right in and be competitive.

They can reward PvP in some other way. Could still give gear with unique looks, titles, whatever else they want.

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RealAeiouy
01.23.2012 , 09:55 AM | #829
People who don't understand expertise have to go...

Go back to their protective pve bubble.

Not a single person opposed to expertise has addressed the issues that cause expertise to be necessary
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Cynan_Ski
01.23.2012 , 10:01 AM | #830
Honestly i would be happy with pvp rank and when you enter a WZ or lesser extent whatever Ilum is classified as (broke *** idea) you get expertise based on your rank but anywhere else in the world stick with what you got. Because every conversation on here sounds like....

You are still a god in pvp where as the pve guys are gods on thier side of the house. And isnt that what everyone who argues for Expertise wants is to feel like a god and **** and pillage all the new people?
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