The Expertise stat has to go...

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The Expertise stat has to go...

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wixxkruppel

01.23.2012 , 07:56 AM \| #781
Quote: Originally Posted by Thrones Give me raid equal gear while doing pvp then , i dont mind. Oh and let it be hardmode gear aswell please. Obviously. PvP and PvE gear needs to be interchangeable. The only difference should be how you acquire it. PvP needs other incentives, vanity bonuses and the like. The way to fix pvp gear system has been said countless times on these forums, but bioware insisted on blindly copy-pasting failed game mechanics from other games with zero original thought.

Thrones

01.23.2012 , 07:59 AM \| #782
Was rank14 in WoW back in vanilla, the gear i used back then was equal to the gear in the last Raid tier, took me 3 months to get it (playing 17 hours a day without premades :< ) Except my mainhand and offhand weapons which trash in the raid instance had better loot :P So i dont mind, aslong as pvp'ers has a chance to get gear.

Dogfatherxx

01.23.2012 , 08:05 AM \| #783
Even though I benefit from it, with 540 expertise, I think that it should go. I would much rather see gear that was interchangable across PVP and PVE to allow people to more easily experience both. I do think that people should be rewarded for PVP though, but would rather those rewards be cosmetic ones (skins, speeders, titles, etc).

Anrix

01.23.2012 , 08:15 AM \| #784
Quote: Originally Posted by wixxkruppel Obviously. PvP and PvE gear needs to be interchangeable. The only difference should be how you acquire it. PvP needs other incentives, vanity bonuses and the like. The way to fix pvp gear system has been said countless times on these forums, but bioware insisted on blindly copy-pasting failed game mechanics from other games with zero original thought. The bold is proof that none PvPers are making an argument to remove expertise. A majority of PvPers do not care about vanity items or worthless incentives. They just want gear that keeps them competitive and creates a gap that needs to be closed by newcomers. Someone that does not do a lot of raiding cannot and should not be expected to try their hand at high end raiding and be as successful as someone who has spent months at it. The time spent doing something should be equal to the reward. If you are new to PvP in this game that means you have not spent anytime doing it and should not be rewarded for it. It is the same system PvE follows.

Gwal

01.23.2012 , 08:26 AM \| #785
Quote: Originally Posted by Dogfatherxx Even though I benefit from it, with 540 expertise, I think that it should go. I would much rather see gear that was interchangable across PVP and PVE to allow people to more easily experience both. I do think that people should be rewarded for PVP though, but would rather those rewards be cosmetic ones (skins, speeders, titles, etc). ^^ This. Look this isnt just PvE'ers looking for an easy ride, this is about making every aspect of the game accessible to players of different styles while offering progression that doesnt impact balance. PvE gear should never be superior in PvP but an unlucky/under geared/ PvE'er should be able to jump into PvP without a ridiculous disadvantage or they will quit the game. MMO's need more players overall to succeed not a hardcore minority niche.

Rackiera

01.23.2012 , 08:27 AM \| #786
Why are people still argueing , reposted .. @ Teyng, thanks for the info below ; Total stats for Battlemaster Eliminator set Aim: 858 Endurance: 910 Crit: 206 Accuracy: 306 Power: 187 Surge: 102 Expertise: 602 Total stats for Rakata Eliminator set Aim: 1059 19% higher than BM Endurance: 1157 22% higher than BM Crit: 206 Accuracy: 306 Power: 187 Surge: 102 So without expertise people in PVE gear would have a 19% higher main stat and more end, thats why expertise is in, without it PVE gear would dominate WZ. Its your choice what to wear, I see people in PVE gear and PVP gear to get a mix of both options. They seem to get best overall results as well. Everyone can choose what they wear, what they do, so if u want to PVE your gear is fine as it is, if you want to PVP its fine as it is ... Why should I have to do PVE to be competitive in PVP ? , without expertise I have no choice unless all sets are exactly the same. This should close this issue once and for all, PVE & PVP Gear can both do fine , I have not seen any rational argument that could disagree with the above, so whats the problem ?
JUST FIGHT !!

Gwal

01.23.2012 , 08:28 AM \| #787
Quote: Originally Posted by Anrix The bold is proof that none PvPers are making an argument to remove expertise. A majority of PvPers do not care about vanity items or worthless incentives. They just want gear that keeps them competitive and creates a gap that needs to be closed by newcomers. Someone that does not do a lot of raiding cannot and should not be expected to try their hand at high end raiding and be as successful as someone who has spent months at it. The time spent doing something should be equal to the reward. If you are new to PvP in this game that means you have not spent anytime doing it and should not be rewarded for it. It is the same system PvE follows. I am a PvPer I've done 7 levels on one character straight without touching a quest. I think expertise is fail.

SyrenaEkra

01.23.2012 , 08:33 AM \| #788
Quote: Originally Posted by Rackiera Why are people still argueing , reposted .. @ Teyng, thanks for the info below ; Total stats for Battlemaster Eliminator set Aim: 858 Endurance: 910 Crit: 206 Accuracy: 306 Power: 187 Surge: 102 Expertise: 602 Total stats for Rakata Eliminator set Aim: 1059 19% higher than BM Endurance: 1157 22% higher than BM Crit: 206 Accuracy: 306 Power: 187 Surge: 102 So without expertise people in PVE gear would have a 19% higher main stat and more end, thats why expertise is in, without it PVE gear would dominate WZ. Its your choice what to wear, I see people in PVE gear and PVP gear to get a mix of both options. They seem to get best overall results as well. Everyone can choose what they wear, what they do, so if u want to PVE your gear is fine as it is, if you want to PVP its fine as it is ... Why should I have to do PVE to be competitive in PVP ? , without expertise I have no choice unless all sets are exactly the same. This should close this issue once and for all, PVE & PVP Gear can both do fine , I have not seen any rational argument that could disagree with the above, so whats the problem ? Good set up there but there is a fatal flaw in your post Total stats for Battlemaster Eliminator set Aim: 858 Endurance: 910 Crit: 206 Accuracy: 306 Power: 187 Surge: 102 Expertise: 602 = 12-13% stat increase to Damage, Damage reduction & Healing. Total stats for Rakata Eliminator set Aim: 1059 19% higher than BM Endurance: 1157 22% higher than BM Crit: 206 Accuracy: 306 Power: 187 Surge: 102 I highlighted it you that aim and endurance are higher yes ok fair enough but PvE gear has NO expertise at all which reduces damage taken by 12% and increases your damage by a further 12% and thats a 12% across the board for PvP Stats. Imo Expertise should go PvE gear should have Endurance lowered where PvP should have it highered.
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XParoleX

01.23.2012 , 08:34 AM \| #789
Quote: Originally Posted by Rancorzealot No it stays! I didn't get my butt whipped for a week straight to have my expertise taken away from me! You become num to losing when trying to grind for your battlemaster gear. You just need to suck it up and get your PVP gear. It's the only thing that counters Raid gear which I personally HATE raiding. You complaining about Expertise is like a PvPer complaing about being forced to go through Raids in order to get gear. Sorry! This^

Bandlero

01.23.2012 , 08:35 AM \| #790
Actually, the issue is not the Expertise stat - you're mistaken on a bit OP. Those of us at higher levels that you're having problems with - we have a lot of Accuracy. My main has 125% accuracy as a sniper - remember that for each % over 100 you go, you reduce the defense stats of the enemy you're attacking. That means when I shoot you, 25% less armor, 25% less dodge/parry, etc. The 10-15% extra damage BMs are getting via Expertise often only amounts to at most an extra 500-1000 damage in the extreme situations.

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