The Expertise stat has to go...

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The Expertise stat has to go...

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RevenanceSLC

01.14.2012 , 04:11 AM \| #711
Quote: Originally Posted by Trenyc I remember when WoW offered epic quality rewards for PvP and didn't have a PvP stat. I believe they came to be known as "welfare epics." No. They became welfare epics when the system that was originally very hard and time consuming, 2 and a half to 3 months, was nerfed down to a set amount of honor you had to earn. The old system was fine because even if you afk'd for 3 months or longer to get the best gear (that wasn replaced around the time AQ40 came out) most people that got it honestly via PvE already had on par gear. The problem with gear with no PvP stat is how do you balance it without affecting PvE? Alot of people would say just load it up with endurance. But then why would a PvE'er not just use PvP gear with extraordinary amounts of health on the gear? Personally I really like the Experise stat but I wouldnt mind something a little different. I'm not really sure what else I would suggest so until that's found this is fine.

Tharrn

01.14.2012 , 04:15 AM \| #712
Quote: Originally Posted by RealAeiouy You clearly don't understand the issues and are as wrong as one can be. If you don't like pvping don't pvp. People who like WoW Pvp don't mind earning gear Fixed that for you. I hate grinding for gear. There is far better ways to incentivize PvP.
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sjwho

01.14.2012 , 04:16 AM \| #713
Let me make this CLEAR You can raid in pvp gear because the stats are that close. So anyone saying raid gear would ruin pvp is either a hypocrite or a liar.

SandTrout

01.14.2012 , 04:19 AM \| #714
Quote: Originally Posted by sjwho Let me make this CLEAR You can raid in pvp gear because the stats are that close. So anyone saying raid gear would ruin pvp is either a hypocrite or a liar. QFT. The Champ gear is better than anything you can acquire before hard-mode FPs already.
Nerf not, lest ye be nerfed.

Nyteshayde

01.14.2012 , 04:22 AM \| #715
Quote: Originally Posted by Treebyrn This makes no sense.. raiders get their gear from raiding (if all they want to do is raid), if they want to pvp as well then they are in the same boat as the rest of us. I am not sure how the pvp gear is for raiding but there is an outside chance that if raiders wanted to be top tier in both raiding and pvp then they will have to grind out 2 sets of gear. I kind of agree with the OP, there is no need for a pvp only stat. They only thing that is needed is for top end pvp gear to = raid gear. The reason wow added resilience is because people decked out in top end raid gear were blowing people up in pvp, if wow had just made the top end pvp gear = top end raid gear then both side would have been happy (you get your gear your way and I will get mine my way ). In Vanilla, WoW also gave PvP gear a ton of stamina to make up for the smaller damage stats that it gave, which could be a pretty good idea for SWTOR. I agree that expertise just makes the game feel sort of dull and grindy.

sjwho

01.14.2012 , 04:27 AM \| #716
Quote: Originally Posted by Nyteshayde In Vanilla, WoW also gave PvP gear a ton of stamina to make up for the smaller damage stats that it gave, which could be a pretty good idea for SWTOR. I agree that expertise just makes the game feel sort of dull and grindy. You really shouldn't compare to wow's pvp since its structure is so much more solid all around that it can't be compared. But resilience as it is now, is dmg reduction. Expertise is dmg reduction, dmg increase, and healing increased. Its literally 2x as bad as wow's resilience.

EternalFinality

01.14.2012 , 12:54 PM \| #717
Quote: Originally Posted by SandTrout Are you so narrow sighted that you cannot see the benefit that you would gain from this? Ok, so PvP gears up a little faster than PvE. Does that hurt you? No. You still get your gear at a rate that you considered acceptable before the change, even if someone else is getting it faster than you now. Does needing to grind PvP for top end gear after you've already achieved top-end PvE gear hurt you? Yes. It takes more time performing at sub-par levels before you can reach the point where your only real limitation is your spec and personal skill. I enjoy raids because their fun. If they're so much of a chore for you that you need those rewards to prove that the raid you beat was worth it, you've got major issues that I'm not licensed to treat. Exactly. It's pure jealously and ego. They're getting their gear, but if someone else has a way of doing it faster then whoah hold everything something is wrong! You can never be good enough. Everyone else must be worse, or else all your "work" is suddenly "meaningless"

Guntsu

01.14.2012 , 01:06 PM \| #718
Quote: Originally Posted by sjwho Let me make this CLEAR You can raid in pvp gear because the stats are that close. So anyone saying raid gear would ruin pvp is either a hypocrite or a liar. So are you saying that PVP gear and PVE gear should always be equal?

SandTrout

01.14.2012 , 01:09 PM \| #719
Quote: Originally Posted by Guntsu So are you saying that PVP gear and PVE gear should always be equal? I'm not sure about him, but I am most definitely saying that.
Nerf not, lest ye be nerfed.

EternalFinality

01.14.2012 , 02:00 PM \| #720
Quote: Originally Posted by Guntsu So are you saying that PVP gear and PVE gear should always be equal? I am.

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