The Expertise stat has to go...

This...

It's honestly unimaginable to even begin to hope to understand how you DON'T see why they put Expertise into the game

While this works in theory and is a good start - previous implmentation has shown it to have one glaring and self-destructive flaw. It creates a gear gap between haves and have nots based simply on time. In other words over time, as players come and go from the game, you can potentially have one side completely geared in expertise gear and the other, in none. Even if the team without expertise gear is better skilled, chance are they will still loose simply because the gear compensates for alot of poor play. This means they need to gain the gear to be competitive which turns getting it into an uphill grind since you get less "points" for loosing than winning. This turns off many players and can often lead to the death of PvP (and is usually followed by the calls for cross server pvp which is really only a delay to the inevitable).

Since almost all PvP'ers want pvp that is based predominantly on skill (rather than gear) and they would like to see more people involved in it, you can understand why over the long term the stat itself has to be removed. This is not to say we don't want to split PvP and PvE rewards just that Expertise has proven to not work in reaching this goal.
There have been many other methods that have worked in other platforms that can be adopted here. Such things as having a PvP skill tree unlocked at 50 where you earn a point per 10 or so valor levels would work if you kept the skills in the tree to things like reducing the cooldown on escape/interupts or extending range of class abilities etc (ie improvements to the charecter but thigns that provide utility rather than dmg/dmg reduction). Then you make this tree auto disable inside flashpoints and operations (hell you could make a PvE tree along the same lines too but I suspected this would be more legacy than anything else). Others have stated putting expertise onto PvE gear and having it as a performance enhancing PvE stat would be fine (though personally with bolstering in place, why limit rewards to gear which in the end is kind of boring).

There are alot of methods that work better than expertise - its a shame that Bioware rushed this game so much that took shortcuts by using quick fixes developed 5-10 years ago (not just pvp but all aspect of the game).

It's sad but true, it needs to go.

/signed

I dont understand what the huge fuss is...

I was getting MVP votes in the 30's with not even maxed gear then...
topping damage and kills

10% doesn't seem nearly enough to make up for a skill difference.

the real issue is reusable stims and medkits IMO



I've wailed on level 50 battle masters and caught them off guard enough to go through their health bar before they even notice and then have them refill their whole bar.


If 10% is enough to totally devastate you every time... i dont think the issue is the expertise.

but obviously it is a deal when one whole team has +10 percent everything...
then your damage is doing 10% less and their attacks 10% more.

The bonus is 20%, actually. 20% damage bonus while your target does 20% less damage to you (providing you with a 40% advantage altogether).

Whether I'm mistaken with those numbers or not is irrelevent though. The stat is the biggest mistake in the existance of MMOs. Hell, once 50s are all bracketed off and /everyone/ in that bracket has expertise, it cancels itself out and everyone is fighting on an equal playing field. Ipso facto, it's useless unless you can "pwn lowbies".

take it from the pvp sets , put it on the pve sets and make it give the bonus against npc's .

this way pvp is based on skill not on equipment and pve sets have a edge over pvp sets for pve , and they are equal ( pvp sets and pve sets ) when it comes to pvp .

simple easy solution and much appreciated

Er except that they are all mixed up into the same pile and expected to play with each other.

It's still cracking me up every time I read a post here stating that grinding in PVP some how makes you good at it. Said it before and I'll say it again, if you were good at it you'd be happy with PVE and PVP sets having the same stats where you'd win because of more skill and better team work.

CRACKS me up to hear "PVPers" defending a crutch.

I'm PVP geared and I don't need my crutch, gimme equal gear and keep the influx of new players rolling.

/signed as well.

And if you are afraid of getting pawned without your precious "expertise" than obviously you have playstyle problem.
As long as top PvE gear == top PvP gear than the whole expertize thing shouldn't exist. It only works on disadvantage of new PvP players.

There's also one more issue with expertise: It's available only for lvl 50 players. AS IF sub-50s WOULDN'T ALREADY BE IN HUGE DISADVANTAGE.

~Valor 45 lvl 50 player.

Now this sound like fun ...

Anyway, the point of PVP is to compete vs other players is it not? So its based on better teamplay, better skill, better tactics, sometimes maybe even more luck but gear? Because with the current setup, better gear doesnt equate to more skill, as some stated its just a matter of time, but a 10% stat will give you an advantage over another player with same pvp skills.

Now is this about the challenge of player vs player or a reward discussion?