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The Expertise stat has to go...

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The Expertise stat has to go...

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Sharma
01.10.2012 , 12:02 PM | #561
what did you really expect from a game that is WoW in space but with less features?

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Ahhmyface
01.10.2012 , 12:07 PM | #562
Most of you are too busy drooling to read this, but the expertise stat is not the right scapegoat here.

TLDR: You need to play an old school fps.

Progression is progression. It doesn't matter if it's expertise, or gear, or consumables, or leveling, or whatever. People who play more will always have more stuff unless you remove all progression. Period.
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TestiSteelnuts
01.10.2012 , 12:18 PM | #563
Quote: Originally Posted by Sarkav View Post
And also to prevent competitive pvpers from being forced to raid.

Seriously, no one seems to remember the old days when the raiders would dominate PvP based on gear advantages and everyone would whine about that.

The game is built around gear progression. Having two different paths for PvE and PvP is a good thing because it allows people to focus on what they like to do without feeling like they have to do everything if they don't want to. If you want a completely level playing field from the get go, there are many other different types of PvP games out there.


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TeekDator
01.10.2012 , 12:20 PM | #564
If you don't like the PvP mechanics, go do something else. To say that you don't want PvP stats for PvP is just crazy.

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Gorto
01.10.2012 , 12:22 PM | #565
Nothing is wrong with expertise.

It prevents hardcore PvE players from dominating with there purple gear. Take out exp and these guys get a leg up.

As for the whole argument of what about down the road when a fresh 50 comes to pvp and gets shreded.

Just copy WoW's craftable lower level pvp gear so the gap between the fresh players and the guys decked out in the top of the line purple pvp is not that great.

Res wrecked wow? Yea the the guys running around in full instance gear with the oranges smashing face that was real balance. Plus only a select few elite could get pvp gear? Give me a break I could cap out and did cap out and get enough pvp gear to hold my own in a week or 2.

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LaManoNera
01.10.2012 , 12:24 PM | #566
Quote: Originally Posted by Gorto View Post
Nothing is wrong with expertise.

It prevents hardcore PvE players from dominating with there purple gear. Take out exp and these guys get a leg up.
No they don't.

PvP gear doesn't need a special PvP stat to be competitive. It hasn't worked for the past 7 years, why would it work in the year 2012?
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CapuchinSeven
01.10.2012 , 12:26 PM | #567
Quote: Originally Posted by mastersloup View Post
Not everyone want to farm PvE scripted fight over and over again so they can PvP
OMG are you people even slightly paying attention when you read something?

Quote: Originally Posted by mastersloup View Post
You must be kidding, one of the reason PvP in wow is considered *********** **** is because you have to raid in order to have access to BiS PvP trinket and weapon
REEEEEEEEEEEEAD BEFORE YOU REPLY.

Quote: Originally Posted by Greatless View Post
Expertise is good for the game. It's there to prevent pvp gear being as good as or better than pve gear in raids. I do not want to pvp for my best pre-raid gear.
REEEEEEEEEEEEAD BEFORE YOU REPLY.

Quote: Originally Posted by iFoo View Post
Exactly and I don't want to have to PvE raid as I don't enjoy it.
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAD.

Quote: Originally Posted by Vindexus View Post
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And for you people who want to add Expertise to Raid gear, what exactly does that accomplish? Now if I want to PvP, I have to raid? What?
I'm shocked that you can act so shocked when it's in plain English.
NO one asked for a PVP stat on PVE gear, a PVE stat on PVE gear a was asked for.

Honestly guys? SERIOUSLY?
If you don't agree with the posts then fair enough BUT at least actually show HALF a brain and a ability to read.

As a note, I'm not raging I'm actually laughing at you. Wow, just wow.

Queue up the next person to now reply with some other point that requires the SAME damn thing repeating again because they didn't get it, but raged on the internet like they did anyway.

PVP stats statement PVP, add a PVE stat to end game PVE gear meaning that if you want to end game PVE you have to have end game PVE gear (news flash, this is nothing new it works perfectly in other games), make end game PVP sets have the same stats expect the PVE stat AND BAM, PVP sets can't be used in PVE, other gear is perfectly viable in PVP but not more powerful and new players will join PVP and PVP won't die as it always does.
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Gorto
01.10.2012 , 12:27 PM | #568
Quote: Originally Posted by LaManoNera View Post
No they don't.

PvP gear doesn't need a special PvP stat to be competitive. It hasn't worked for the past 7 years, why would it work in the year 2012?
Yes because of resilience, WoW's arena's and battlegrounds are empty cause it is a total failure.

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yukirshiro
01.10.2012 , 12:27 PM | #569
Quote: Originally Posted by anstalt View Post


The solution is to make expertise a flat stat across all pvp sets. So, if you buy the level 20 pvp set (all pieces), you will have 1000 expertise. If you buy the battlemaster set, you will also have 1000 expertise. The battlemaster set will still be better as it will have much better stats, but expertise no longer acts as an amplifier to the gear gap, it merely serves its original intention of separating pvp and pve gear. Simples
This is an extremely simple and elegant fix that makes expertise do what it's supposed to do instead of serving as a double-dipping barrier to entry.

Hire this man, he clearly knows a lot more about PVP design than any of your laughable team of "pvp" developers.

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CapuchinSeven
01.10.2012 , 12:37 PM | #570
Quote: Originally Posted by Gorto View Post
Yes because of resilience, WoW's arena's and battlegrounds are empty cause it is a total failure.
Already been commented on.
Thread is dead, same old rubbish going around and around and around.
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