The Expertise stat has to go...

You guys have no idea what you're talking about. PvP stats were put in the game for two reason:

1. Differentiation of PvP and PvE gear - prior to this you ended up with high end raiders endlessly getting better at the game.
2. Just giving players higher health pools does NOT linearly increase survivability against PvE gear!

The mistake WoW made, and the mistake that this game has quite readily corrected, is that Expertise both decreases damage taken and increases damage done. You are NEVER going to get the immortal healer situation - you're actually doing the same level of damage to a healer as you would be without Expertise with the only caviat being any difference in expertise, and that the power of heals has been increased a little.

Itemization in this game is pretty well designed so far. Much better than WoW's. They made the extremely intelligent decision to reduce the magnitude of critical strikes to 50% and force people to scale that stat up if they want to go for a heavy crit build, and also greatly reduced the amount of skills that get past armour. As a result, there are very few natural "casters" in the game that just totally ignore tank armour.

The only real modification that needs to be made to the game is to make Expertise available earlier. They can do that by actually including the damn Expertise mods that are ALREADY IN THE FRIGGIN GAME.

Hey everyone,

the most fun I've had while playing PvP was during the level 60 time in World of Warcraft (before resilience was developed) and in the lower level part of Warhammer.

Why do the forums always get cluttered with people crying and never getting the true bigger picture. You are all so short sighted and selfish all you see is the negatives (omg I have to work for it)

The reason you have a pvp stat is two fold. It discourages people using pve gear to pvp and from pvpers from dominating pve in their pvp gear.

Why you ask?
Well because this makes people gear from the activity they choose by doing that activity. You want to gear up to be better for pvp? You pvp. Want more dps for pve without sacrificing a stat on your gear for expertise? Do pve raids.

If you make it where one set of gear is supreme for both pve and pvp then you just force everyone into it. Which if you are a pvper then you might not want to pve and vice versa.

Does this discourage new players in pvp? Not anymore than new players in pve. You need to gear up to be better at both. I don't expect a fresh 50 to crank out crazy dps on a raid boss, so neither should that frsh 50 expect to dominate everyone in pvp.

Stop crying and play the game. Accept that pve and pvp are completly diffrent paths and need to be geared for as such.

A level 50 PvP bracket simply will not save the PvP in this game.

There is no logical explanation for having a PvP stat in this MMO game, or in fact any MMO game. The only possible reason for Expertise to exist in this game is to screw over people who cant grind it first.

Guess you never had your head smashed in by a player weilding full MC purples and the Sulfras hand of Ragnaros.

Or got thunder bombed by the windfury.

What do Wow and Rift have in common seeing as some one else mentioned the names.... They both have extremely low new PvP player uptake. Getting people to enter PvP in those games and stick with it long enough to be on par gear wise (Or close enough to be competitive) simply doesn't happen, at a rate that replaces outgoing players.

Both of those games have PvP communities that loose members faster then they replace them with new Ex PvE Playing converts. The PvP stats make it VERY VERY hard to introduce new players to the fantastic world of PvP that we all get. I think most of us will grind on alts when we have too ect... because we are already hooked. There was a time when every one of us was not a PVP player... admit it none of us came to PvP first.

The bracketing that PvP stats creates drives away growth. It will become a problem for TOR in the future as well.