The Expertise stat has to go...

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The Expertise stat has to go...

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Viikuna

01.25.2012 , 06:28 AM \| #1191
Quote: Originally Posted by Tharrn My point is that no special PvP stat is needed if the base stats on the PvE/PvP gear are the same as PvPers worth the name have the edge in PvP by experience and training. The only thing that needs balancing then is the time it takes to grind out the PvE and PvP set, which should be roughly identical. Balancing the time between PvE and PvP is not easy task, and if it fails.... It would bring back the whine and complaints about getting gear easier from other source. Or being "forced" to do the other, because of faster gear that helps you/your guild to progress in the other, while you wouldn't want to. Both of those being reasons why Resilience(=expertise) made it into that other game

AlbertXP

01.25.2012 , 06:28 AM \| #1192
Quote: Originally Posted by Cynan_Ski In the meantime they get gang-banged while attempting to get the gear. Last i knew i was paying to play a game Game While some games are work i tend to think of games are suppose to be fun in the context of this game dying in 2-3 sec flat over and over and over for a week or so till it starts to pay off is not fun. I have had some fun matches in pvp. Expertise geared enemies included but my overall experience has been terrible. and dont foresee too many new players in the future putting up with this. At the same time i know the BM equiped players have put time in to be leet and grats. and when tiered WZ's come out this expertise arguement will go away. As i said,as soon as you hit 50 if you saved commendations and do the weeklies you should have half the champion set, thats enough gear not to get facerolled. If everyone was competitive the second they hit 50 this game wouldn't last very long.

Joms

01.25.2012 , 06:29 AM \| #1193
Gear progression is the worst bloody thing thats in current MMO's i wish you WoW people would grow up and learn theres other directions than your precious gear grind....
A noob got owned and is crying like a baby! Originally Posted by Greg Zoeller: Reason for the nerf to OPs/SCs "stun locked by a team of Operatives"

Cynan_Ski

01.25.2012 , 06:30 AM \| #1194
Quote: Originally Posted by AlbertXP As i said,as soon as you hit 50 if you saved commendations and do the weeklies you should have half the champion set, thats enough gear not to get facerolled. If everyone was competitive the second they hit 50 this game wouldn't last very long. How would it not last long? Cant imagine that over 70% of the servers pvp's just for the sake of pvp on a side note RNG was not nice to me
Camping is for losers " I wonder if the Nazi's said that same thing to the 101st airborne in bastone " Quote: Originally Posted by Mordekaiserr resolve bar? i thought was the gang bang meter....

Viikuna

01.25.2012 , 06:34 AM \| #1195
Quote: Originally Posted by Joms Gear progression is the worst bloody thing thats in current MMO's i wish you WoW people would grow up and learn theres other directions than your precious gear grind.... Gear grind in WoW? You call 1 week of heroic dungeons for second best raid tier, or 1 week of battlegrounds for second best PvP Tier a grind? Oh dear... WoW is far from its former glory and the thing you call "gear grind"... I MISS those ~40 UBRS runs to get everything from there that i wanted. I enjoy farming / grinds. I'm currently at ~100 Lord Inath kills to get my 9lvl Orange gloves, for the class i want (started yesterday)

GrandMike

01.25.2012 , 06:40 AM \| #1196
Quote: Originally Posted by Cynan_Ski So whatever solution we pick one group gets alienated, it is awesome.... Almost need to adopt the ladder system like SC2 only way i can see people being pitted against similar geared/skilled competition. At the moment those who have expertise has a 2:1 odds of beating those who don't. :Tried the same gear idea alienates the pvp crowd vs the pve crowd :Keep the expertise alienates all the new players who proceed to get gang-banged for a week or 2 and the crap phrases like "i had to do so should they" is a lame excuse I do think the current pvp situation needs work but maybe i was going after the wrong thing like expertise but it still comes down to something needs to change. Those same poor freshly dinged level 50-ies would get equally gang-banged by people in top PvE gear until they get better gear. Its a gear based game. gear > everything, its how things work, whether you like it or not (i dont but i adapt) Only people who want expertise gone are PvEers that think they should dominate everything in their PvE gear. And of course, if they lose in PvP they blame gear and difference is only around 5%.

Cynan_Ski

01.25.2012 , 06:43 AM \| #1197
Wars have been started over conversations like this.
Camping is for losers " I wonder if the Nazi's said that same thing to the 101st airborne in bastone " Quote: Originally Posted by Mordekaiserr resolve bar? i thought was the gang bang meter....

Roak

01.25.2012 , 06:46 AM \| #1198
Quote: Originally Posted by GrandMike Only people who want expertise gone are PvEers that think they should dominate everything in their PvE gear. And of course, if they lose in PvP they blame gear and difference is only around 5%. I'm a pvper of the old school, cut my teeth in non gear grind based games which had much, much better pvp than this game. I'm in full champion gear and I think a separate pvp stat is a ******* dumb idea. So I'm not sure who the "only people who want expertise gone" are in your post. A gear grind is a developmental cop out, a weaksauce system to keep people chasing a carrot instead of creating actual dynamic pvp systems.
things need to change We have some of the most experienced PvP developers in the world on this team� ~ You have no play time.

ScytheNoire

01.25.2012 , 06:46 AM \| #1199
Expertise (or any PvP stat) is a handicap for players who can't win based on skill. It's a bonus for players who PvP more than other players. It's a crutch for game designers who can't think outside the box. Take your pick, but whatever the case, it's bad for competitive and balanced PvP.

Viikuna

01.25.2012 , 06:50 AM \| #1200
Quote: Originally Posted by ScytheNoire Expertise (or any PvP stat) is a handicap for players who can't win based on skill. And i bet you PvP naked, because it's not gear based game where there is differense between lvl 1 and lvl 50 gear? Quote: Originally Posted by GrandMike Its a gear based game. gear > everything, its how things work, whether you like it or not (i dont but i adapt)

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