The Expertise stat has to go...

what did i not answer? as for what to reward im sure they could create a new tier

while i've never played WHO, from the reading, the ward system seems nothing more than a gated expertise system. seems you have to start with 0 wards and do something in some pvp to obtain the ward so you can get the next tier ward. sounds similar to centurion -> champ -> battlemaster. altho swtor is definitely more rng but the simple fact remains a fresh toon will get slaughtered vs a geared toon

The one hole in this theory, and its a very large hole, is that there is a metric **** ton of people who don't pvp at all.

Who said its up to you how people play the game anyway? If someone wants to lvl 10-50 only doing pvp or if they want to play 1-50 strictly in story lines it has no effect on you whatsoever.

You are not the gameplay police. what you think or want has nothing at all to do with how anyone plays the game.

I agree with your prediction of what would happen if we simply removed expertise. The other stuff is irrelevant because we're clearly not on the same page; I was quoting someone else who quoted me.

It's for PvE...

I also stated at the bottom that you could remove the ability to obtain Wards via RvR (PvP).

The only thing higher tier gear gives is slightly higher stats, and possibly varying Set bonuses.

With the way they've stated they want gear to work, one could then remove the set bonuses they've obtained from gear and place it on other gear. In the future that is.

Please read that post in its entirety.

I read a few of your posts but I don't fully understand you. From what I gather you are suggesting the following:
a) Expertise gear is overpowered because of the damage boost + damage reduction?
b) And/or raid gear is underpowered because it only boosts damage and NOT damage reduction?
c) That Expertise gear should either be harder to get or not as effective?

Feel free to correct these premises.

If you believe premise A then how do you feel about the Overcharge Consumable (boosts Expertise by 15%) or the In-Game Expertise box?
If you believe premise B then what are dedicated PVP'ers supposed to do to defend themselves against raiders? I haven't done the math but I believe that the PVE gear does significant damage even with respect to its PVP counterpart.
If you believe in premise C then what would happen to those who leveled their Valor with their player level? Those who spent many hours PvP'ing in <50 bracket? (and coincidentally reread my counter to premise A).

I am a PvPer in a PvP guild. Sure we run some raids but not nearly enough to gear up. Just something as a change of pace, and sometimes we don't quite finnish (because our pvp gear holds us back). I want to PvP, not spend 5 hours in a row trying to grind through a hardmode operation.

WHAT IF:
We keep the PVP gear on PVP servers and remove it from PvE servers?
Nerf the Expertise bonus in WZ but allow it/increase it in Open PVP?
Increase the duration of Overcharge Consumable for players with less than 2% expertise?

The people whining to remove expertise will be gone within the next week or so after they get a bunch of champion pieces.

Hmm and how will we obtain that? The skill of RNG game, ugh i cant help but to get off topic im sorry, just so many flaws in this design

I played WAR for two years, and DAOC many years prior to that. There was no PvP stat. WAR didn't even have Realm Rank abilities until very late (read: just before I left)

I played to kill people. Advance my RR just for shiny new titles, and overall just enjoy myself.

I agree... With all respect the smart person could hold 1 champ bag before 50, stack 1000/1000 comms for 5 bags, complete 2 dailies for 2 bags and 2 weeklies for 3 bags each (all in 24 hours of turning 50) --> Total 15 bags nearly immediately. I notice lots of beginners luck with some good rolls out of the first few bags and then no more complaints.

EDIT: In addition to whatever Champ gear you get, thats 45 Cent comms thats worth ANY tier 1 piece except the weapon.