Best MMO PvP you ever played?

The folks that did early DAOC PvP worked really hard to do it. When i think on it now it blows my mind. It was so much work.
What daoc had going for it was a concept of a persistent PvP world seperate from the PvE world but slightly effecting the PvE world.
but its painfully obvious that they really did not have a clue how PvP would actually work from release and that affected the whole thing. Class and game balance. Pretending that they did understand PvP is not productive. But they did try new stuff and it was fun figuring it out especially for the hard core.

instanced PvP is the way to go. Planning what scenarios will be available from outside of PvP will make things a lot of fun if they have PvE effects. Its the logical step. EvE is essentially doing this with dust.

Star trek online - Great Graphics
Amazing PVP

If anyone says anything other than UO, then they...

• Don't like PvP
• Are too young to know better
• Are risk averse: Therefore sissy PvP'ers

No other MMO has provided more tools to PvP with, or penalized you so badly for losing than UO. You had your generic 1v1 and typical gang mentality that just straight up rolled you.

Or

You could be devious and poison food or trap a chest and just leave it laying in the road while you remained hidden waiting for your victim to take the bait.

And when you died... it was painful! I lost 2 or 3 houses because me or a co-owner got rolled at just the right time (in the beginning, you had to have a house key on you to get into your house).

I was a chest trapper... here are the ways I used to PvP...

Generic Approach: Chest trap in game chests spawned in NPC camps or dungeons, and wait for my victim to loot. Always ended with me looting them.

Decayed Body Approach: Drop clothing, food, reagents, and a nice little trapped jewelry box in a pile just off the road to make it look like someone had died, and then couldn't find their body. (bodies decayed in UO, but the items didn't.)

Kamikaze Approach: I would rush a group of players while a couple fellow trappers remained hidden. They would kill me, and loot the 3 or 4 jewelry boxes I had on me... and after 1 or 2 of them dropped off their mounts from opening my trapped boxes, the other trappers would chase, or finish off the rest so we could loot.

Charity PvP: More than once I had forgotten that I had trapped one of my chests while at the bank... "hmmm what the heck is in this ches... BOOM!... oh yeah." I'd come back to my carved up naked body.

And the Kill Everyone at the Bank Approach: Same as Kamikaze, but not as effective for money gains... more for amusement. Basically, attack someone at the bank, they yell for guards, guards kill me, and everyone at the bank starts looting my trapped chests and jewelry boxes... then hillarity ensues.

Somehow it was much more fun to kill people creatively than brute forcing their death with straight up combat.

Half these MMO's are carebear PvP because nothing is at stake. Add valuable resources worth protecting or lootable corpses to world PvP here and then we are talking about some great world PvP. We need somethign worth fighting for.

From this thread outside the people that said GW and Wow it would seem that instanced pvp is actually NOT the way to go. Alot of nostalgia going around rembering that time they defended that base in planetside or that base in Dark are or that base in Shadowbane or that base in linage 2 or romaing around in the different worlds killing other groups.