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Recent actions against some customer accounts

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humpacactus
01.02.2012 , 11:55 PM | #491
Quote: Originally Posted by JeramieCrowe View Post
No, I completely think that higher level loot and items should be level restricted.

Because when you trust the community to use their heads and not gimp the economy, you get the current crisis.

So, it needs to be forced by way of mechanics. However, until that happens, the current solution is agreeable.
Thank you! You've actually agreed that it's a mechanical game issue (which is Biowares fault and not really the consumers - or at the very least not all of them).

Unfortunately, your assuming its ok to ban people (from something they paid, and will continue to pay for) for a game design flaw.

I'd 100% disagree.

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JeramieCrowe
01.02.2012 , 11:57 PM | #492
Quote: Originally Posted by Cranberries View Post
So a player can't do what they want in a game? Are we really saying in an MMO players are confined to do, essentially, what a single player game would make you do? Are we really suggesting that in 2012, MMOs are now forcing their players to do "what the game wants" rather than "what the player wants?" I weep for Minecraft then, because if Minecraft follows suit you'll only be allowed to make a house with bricks, and you wont be allowed to grow flowers at the risk of insulting a lazy gamer.
Give me a break.

Even in Skyrim, your economic income is regulated. In fact, in every other game I can think of, your economic income is regulated depending on your level. It's just not feasible to try to"farm" gold in those games, because the more you level, the more profitable your endeavors.

Why should it be different here?
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humpacactus
01.02.2012 , 11:58 PM | #493
Quote: Originally Posted by JeramieCrowe View Post
Give me a break.

Even in Skyrim, your economic income is regulated. In fact, in every other game I can think of, your economic income is regulated depending on your level. It's just not feasible to try to"farm" gold in those games, because the more you level, the more profitable your endeavors.

Why should it be different here?
Everyone agrees with you - its a game design flaw. Blame Bioware and not the players playing the game as Bioware designed it.

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JeramieCrowe
01.02.2012 , 11:58 PM | #494
Quote: Originally Posted by humpacactus View Post
Topic 1 is obviously a good and reasonable ban.

I think its clear most people are very concerned about the bannings regarding topic 2 and for good reason.
To be clear: the ONLY accounts that were "banned" were the ones that were SELLING credits for RL money.

All other were only temporarily suspended.
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Cranberries
01.02.2012 , 11:58 PM | #495
Quote: Originally Posted by JeramieCrowe View Post
Give me a break.

Even in Skyrim, your economic income is regulated. In fact, in every other game I can think of, your economic income is regulated depending on your level. It's just not feasible to try to"farm" gold in those games, because the more you level, the more profitable your endeavors.

Why should it be different here?
It's an MMO. It has an ingame economy via the AH. A level 1 character with 100 gold in WoW can eventually make 34827598279q47967359737298 gold simply due to the AH. It is the same in SWTOR, except in SWTOR the level 1 can be banned apparently. It's just wrong.

I don't see why people shouldn't be allowed to do what they want, and you're using Skyrim (a single player game lol) as an example? So you're saying SWTOR, an MMO, should follow the path of a single player game?

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JeramieCrowe
01.03.2012 , 12:01 AM | #496
Quote: Originally Posted by Cranberries View Post
It's an MMO. It has an ingame economy via the AH. A level 1 character with 100 gold in WoW can eventually make 34827598279q47967359737298 gold simply due to the AH. It is the same in SWTOR, except in SWTOR the level 1 can be banned apparently. It's just wrong.

I don't see why people shouldn't be allowed to do what they want, and you're using Skyrim (a single player game lol) as an example? So you're saying SWTOR, an MMO, should follow the path of a single player game?
I used Skyrim because YOU used a SPRPG as an example.

And using the AH to exponentially increase your investments?? Are you purposely being obtuse?

Do you not see how COMPLETELY different that is than the current issue?!
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monegames
01.03.2012 , 12:02 AM | #497
Quote: Originally Posted by JeramieCrowe View Post
Give me a break.

Even in Skyrim, your economic income is regulated. In fact, in every other game I can think of, your economic income is regulated depending on your level. It's just not feasible to try to"farm" gold in those games, because the more you level, the more profitable your endeavors.

Why should it be different here?
I completely agree but Bioware decided to allow you to go Ilum when you get your ship and decided to put chests where a level 10 could loot them without being destroyed by mobs. guess what happens in those other games you speak about. the devs decide to not let you got to those places and/or put appropriate level mobs there to detract this from happening. its on the devs not the players to police this since anyone can do it and its completely fair to do it in its current state as long as you are not glitching the spawn timer or other exploits.

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humpacactus
01.03.2012 , 12:03 AM | #498
Quote: Originally Posted by JeramieCrowe View Post
I used Skyrim because YOU used a SPRPG as an example.

And using the AH to exponential increase your investments?? Are you purposely being obtuse?

Do you not see how COMPLETELY different that is than the current issue?!
You've already admitted its a game design flaw by Bioware, is there anything more to say?


You assume that its fine to ban people for the way Bioware designed the game.

Obviously this is not ok and thats why people are concerned about it overall.

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Cranberries
01.03.2012 , 12:03 AM | #499
Quote: Originally Posted by JeramieCrowe View Post
I used Skyrim because YOU used a SPRPG as an example.

And using the AH to exponentially increase your investments?? Are you purposely being obtuse?

Do you not see how COMPLETELY different that is than the current issue?!
It's effectively the same thing. A level 1 hoards so much of the market economy because he has the power to, and then sells it for more thus making a profit. Ergo, a level 1 stays in 1 spot on Ilum and continually opens chests granting him credits over time.

Both result in 1 thing: the player has worked, whether it's hard or easy, to get credits and so is rewarded. However Bioware are angry about this and temp banning people for ... playing the game as it was designed.

I hate fanboys who think Bioware can do no wrong. >_>

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JeramieCrowe
01.03.2012 , 12:03 AM | #500
Quote: Originally Posted by monegames View Post
I completely agree but Bioware decided to allow you to go Ilum when you get your ship and decided to put chests where a level 10 could loot them without being destroyed by mobs. guess what happens in those other games you speak about. the devs decide to not let you got to those places and/or put appropriate level mobs there to detract this from happening. its on the devs not the players to police this since anyone can do it and its completely fair to do it in its current state as long as you are not glitching the spawn timer or other exploits.
This is why their accounts aren't being BANNED. They are being SUSPENDED. Huge difference.

A few days of game time isn't the end of the world. They'll fix it.
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