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This Is How Competition Works

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Myrmedus

01.02.2012 , 08:11 AM \| #51	Quote
Comparing TOR at release to WoW at release is a far better comparison than comparing TOR at release to WoW after 6 years of refinement. Yes, WoW came out in 2004, TOR came out in 2011, but that will not actually spark much of a change in the state of an MMO upon release except things that have improved over that time such as graphics. It is also expected that TOR will have learnt some things from WoW's evolution, but "evolution" is the key word here: every MMO evolves and what it starts at is a mere husk of what it becomes. Just because we're 7 years later doesn't mean the entire developmental process of MMOs has completely changed because it simply has not, and it has not because it's based upon the human nature of its development team not technical advancements. The main issue is actually people comparing the two at all when this game has only been out for 2 weeks - THAT is puerile. With any MMO you have to let it settle for at least 1-2 months, let the patches flow in and let the refinements come, before you even consider comparison.

Merrinset

01.02.2012 , 08:11 AM \| #52	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by Granyala Well said OP, but mindless Fanboys (see above) are already on their way to shout you down. Mindless fanboy who doesn't know what fanboy means, also incoming. Just for future reference the dictionaries do not say : fan-boi : someone who disagrees with you. It is more along the lines of - Fanboy ;(fan-boi) a person with an enthusiasm for something. in extreme cases it has been defined as "someone who is so enthusiastic about a topic they will defend their views to the exclusion of all others" which, quite frankly, is a perfect description for virtually every person that posts "fanboy" as some kind of internet insult, and I will keep pointing out that you, and others like you, have absolutely no idea what they are talking about because they cannot even use a word in it's proper context. Maybe if you could quit being so self-righteous you'd find out that the world doesn't revolve around you after all.

Errathe

01.02.2012 , 08:11 AM \| #53	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by Senadin WOW the Hero engine!!! The one crappy platform they could have got, they went with! You do know the Hero engine was created in early 2000 right??? Simutronic had it when they showcased their never released MMO, Hero's Journey. We're talking about an engine that has only 2 games released under it's belt so far. Swtor and some other small MMO. Not sure if i understand you well, but if you think it's a selling point, think again! Hero engine=old, unproven and cheap. You misunderstood my post. My mention of the Hero engine was in no way related to the quality of the Hero engine.

Master-Nala

01.02.2012 , 08:12 AM \| #54	Quote
Let me help: If WOW is more your speed. Take care.

Yfelsung

01.02.2012 , 08:13 AM \| #55	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by notebene The game aside, I reject two philosophies that seem to pervade your post. 1. I know what competition is, but I don't think it is the sole measure of success or worth in the universe. 2. I don't think that appealing to as many people as possible is a measure of success or worth. I expand on your rejection: The man, or MMO, with the most money is not the best man, or MMO, nor the most successful. Example: CoH is a better RTS than Starcraft 2. It has better graphics, a higher skill ceiling, more interesting and varied strategies, an original take on the RTS formula. BUT SC2 outsold CoH by 10 times or more. Why? SC2 has better brand recognition and has nostalgia working for it. Blizzard could poop in a box and outsell many companies, not because blizzard's box poop is better, but because it has a blizzard logo on the poop.
MHORDSUNG SOULGRINDER, LEGATUS OF PHOBOS LEGION At the end of days the dragon stands tall and with limitless rage it illuminates all.

Jalden

01.02.2012 , 08:15 AM \| #56	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by FellintoOblivion I'm being asked to pay for a product now that is inferior in most ways to other products already on the market on the premise it will be improved in the future. Weird. I'm being asked to pay for a product that is superior now. If you do not like it, don't pay.

archifikoss

01.02.2012 , 08:15 AM \| #57	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by Myrmedus Comparing TOR at release to WoW at release is a far better comparison than comparing TOR at release to WoW after 6 years of refinement. Yes, WoW came out in 2004, TOR came out in 2011, but that will not actually spark much of a change in the state of an MMO upon release except things that have improved over that time such as graphics. It is also expected that TOR will have learnt some things from WoW's evolution, but "evolution" is the key word here: every MMO evolves and what it starts at is a mere husk of what it becomes. Just because we're 7 years later doesn't mean the entire developmental process of MMOs has completely changed because it simply has not. The main issue is actually people comparing the two at all when this game has only been out for 2 weeks - THAT is puerile. With any MMO you have to let it settle for at least 1-2 months, let the patches flow in and let the refinements come, before you even consider comparison. Actually... I believe that neither one is. On one hand, WoW at release was years ago - and theoretically games and the MMO genre have evolved since then, meaning that your new game should be up to date with the industry standards. On the other hand, WoW does have many years of constant polishing and improvement - whereas TOR has a mere 2 weeks. IMO: Compare TOR with WoW release when it comes to the amount and variety of content. Compare TOR with WOW in its current iteration when it comes to more technical issues, as well as gameplay, functionality and "quality of life".
. OK, I really didn't expect to see this in my country

ArmchairMagpie

01.02.2012 , 08:15 AM \| #58	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by flunkorg You also don't fix problems by constantly crying and gnawing at there feet saying "Your game is absolute ***! Rift is better! Your games gonna fail!" hopping that this will somehow "motivate" them. Sorry to tell you but the world doesn't work like that. I have no idea WHY you think the world works like that. I think you must have missed this line: "The most loyal fans are those who constructively criticize* the most." You see. Your patronizing was completely useless because I already narrowed down the group of people included and it goes without saying that everything else is excluded.

RayBanJockey

01.02.2012 , 08:16 AM \| #59	Quote
Comparing TOR with WOW is like comparing apples and oranges. They are both fruit, but that's about where the similarities stop. If you haven't noticed it yet, TOR isn't an MMO no matter how much you'd like it to be. It's a single player game with multiplayer strapped on, sort of like they did with GTA 3 ages ago. The only reason people seem to be missing this fact is I guess because you (and me tbh) Star Wars fans SO BADLY want this game to be more than it is, to be something you wanted it to be, because you live Star Wars and you love MMO's. We also (SO BADLY) wanted something to replace WOW. But sadly, it'll never be all that. It's like buying a red car and then complaining that it's not blue, TOR is just not an MMO in the sense you'd like it to be.

Mamono

01.02.2012 , 08:18 AM \| #60	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by Myrmedus Comparing TOR at release to WoW at release is a far better comparison than comparing TOR at release to WoW after 6 years of refinement. Yes, WoW came out in 2004, TOR came out in 2011, but that will not actually spark much of a change in the state of an MMO upon release except things that have improved over that time such as graphics. It is also expected that TOR will have learnt some things from WoW's evolution, but "evolution" is the key word here: every MMO evolves and what it starts at is a mere husk of what it becomes. Just because we're 7 years later doesn't mean the entire developmental process of MMOs has completely changed because it simply has not, and it has not because it's based upon the human nature of its development team not technical advancements. The main issue is actually people comparing the two at all when this game has only been out for 2 weeks - THAT is puerile. With any MMO you have to let it settle for at least 1-2 months, let the patches flow in and let the refinements come, before you even consider comparison. What about comperin ToR release with Rift release? It is even better then WoW imo.

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