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Star Wars vs WH40K


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internaty
02.11.2012 , 04:15 AM | #251
Quote: Originally Posted by Targost View Post
just randomly looking around and saw this - not sure if its a good interpretation on what WH40k ship sizes are

http://knowyourmeme.com/photos/22750...ammer-40k40000
Is it just me or the ship that is half the sieze of the space marine ship a driod command ship?

If that is the cast how the hell did it get larger then a star destroyer?

On side note star wars would beat 40K using there most powerfull weapon.
Diplomacy^^

I terms of firepower ship sieze and weapons 40k is the top dog.

But i dont see the imperium of man winning a battle of words.
Senator: join the republic, we are all nice people.
Imperial gaurd:But the imperium would kill us if we did.
Jedi: you shoud master your fear.
Comissar: master this traitor(shoots at the jedi)
Jedi doge the bullet:* mind trick* you dont want to hurt me.
Commansar: but i do want to kill you.
Jedi strike commansar down.
Jedi:There is nothing to fear for those who embrace the force.
Imperial gaurdmen: execpt space marine's elder tyrdanid nercons etc etc.
Jedi: And because you fear them they rule over you rather then you over yourself.
Imperial gaurd: while i suppos but how are we to fight the imperium.
Jedi: The battle will be hard and bloody but if we are victories you will free your people from a reign of fear and power abuse...dont you want to be part of that?
Imperial gaurd: i suppos so.

Rebelion started
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Gomla
02.11.2012 , 05:41 AM | #252
Quote: Originally Posted by internaty View Post
On side note star wars would beat 40K using there most powerfull weapon.
Diplomacy^^

I terms of firepower ship sieze and weapons 40k is the top dog.

But i dont see the imperium of man winning a battle of words.
Senator: join the republic, we are all nice people.
Imperial gaurd:But the imperium would kill us if we did.
Jedi: you shoud master your fear.
Comissar: master this traitor(shoots at the jedi)
Jedi doge the bullet:* mind trick* you dont want to hurt me.
Commansar: but i do want to kill you.
Jedi strike commansar down.
Jedi:There is nothing to fear for those who embrace the force.
Imperial gaurdmen: execpt space marine's elder tyrdanid nercons etc etc.
Jedi: And because you fear them they rule over you rather then you over yourself.
Imperial gaurd: while i suppos but how are we to fight the imperium.
Jedi: The battle will be hard and bloody but if we are victories you will free your people from a reign of fear and power abuse...dont you want to be part of that?
Imperial gaurd: i suppos so.

Rebelion started
Guardsman: We now fight for the Republic.
Inquisitor: Really now....
*Orders Exterminatus*
Inquisitor: I'm sorry little guardsman, I couldn't hear you over the sound of the entire planet being destroyed.

Plus no Republic or Imp ship would be able to do anything in 40k space.

The planets are that far apart and the universe so large that Warp travel is the only way to go.

Considering no Republic or Imp ship could enter the Warp without being torn apart by Chaos then by the time they reached mankinds part of the universe they would have died from old age.

That is assuming they managed to travel without bumping into any Battle Barges, Guard ships, Hive Fleets, Necron Pyramids, Ork hulks, Eldar ships or Dark Eldar outriders.

If I was in the Republic or Imp travelling through the 40k universe I would be praying I bumped into anything but the Dark Eldar ... at least then you would get a quick death and not prolonged torture that ended up with you having your souls consumed.

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Yfelsung
02.11.2012 , 09:20 AM | #253
Quote: Originally Posted by valin-krai View Post
Damn, Warhammer size ships are not only ugly as can be, but they are also tiny compared to either Death Star and around the same size as a Super Star Destroyer.
The thing is, their smaller ships have enough fire power to wipe out a solar system.
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valin-krai
02.11.2012 , 09:29 AM | #254
Quote: Originally Posted by Slurmez View Post
You know star wars ships are tiny compared to the death star right? They also dont need a death star to destroy planets
An Eclipse class Super Star Destroyer has a super laser on it.
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NemoSD
02.11.2012 , 10:04 AM | #255
Honestly, SW vs 40k would never be determined in a ground fight. Star Wars ships would never get to land troops.

Here is why...

Star Wars, as represented in canon, engages in combat between ranges of 10-50km max (Although planetary bombardment indicates a couple of hundred KM is max range.) In canon, 40k ships engage in the hundreds of thousands of KM, firing massive weapons at the opposing slow moving ships. Because Star Wars ships are a little more nimble, lets assume 40k has to close to 1000km to be effective... they are still sitting safely out of range of the SW ships which are forced to close a deadly gap before they can fire their first weapons.

Next point to assume, is that on the larger imperium ships, the captain and sometimes navigator, are hard wired INTO the ship... the astropath can not be signal jammed, and once the Imperium realizes that the SW ships have no fall back communications, they will pump out the white noise but still be coordinated with themselves.

Lunar class cruisers are actually pretty nimble, and designed to ram... and the Lances on an Emperor are devastating at massive ranges.

But the real kicker... some of the more ancient imperium ships have teleportoriums. They could just start sending over squads of Stormtroopers to take the ships from the inside, or to disable key equipment.

Star Wars is facing an uphill battle to even obtain orbital superiority.

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Aximand
02.12.2012 , 02:43 AM | #256
Quote: Originally Posted by valin-krai View Post
An Eclipse class Super Star Destroyer has a super laser on it.
And Cobra class escort frigates can be equipped with Cyclonic missiles and Virus Bombs. Your point?
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MORTTUUM
02.12.2012 , 05:49 AM | #257
Star Wars, any series, wins hands down no contest. Simple reasons;
1) WH40K weapons are ridiculously short-ranged, the Leman Russ Battlecannon only shoots about 150m. AT-ATs will have 10-15 turns (or whatever) of firing before the Russ's can even shoot back.
2) Rivets and bolts; NOTHING that's bolted/rivetted together can take even a modest hit without falling apart rapidly. The USSR Army of 1943 could waste the Imp Guard, let alone the SW Empire/Rep/Rebs...

Any SWv40K battle would be like Zulus vs (any modern army) fought on open plains at night.

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jarjarloves
02.12.2012 , 06:05 AM | #258
Quote: Originally Posted by MORTTUUM View Post
Star Wars, any series, wins hands down no contest. Simple reasons;
1) WH40K weapons are ridiculously short-ranged, the Leman Russ Battlecannon only shoots about 150m. AT-ATs will have 10-15 turns (or whatever) of firing before the Russ's can even shoot back.
2) Rivets and bolts; NOTHING that's bolted/rivetted together can take even a modest hit without falling apart rapidly. The USSR Army of 1943 could waste the Imp Guard, let alone the SW Empire/Rep/Rebs...

Any SWv40K battle would be like Zulus vs (any modern army) fought on open plains at night.
really?

an AT-ST can't even resist being crushed by 2 logs which btw the logs suffer no damage.

Contrary to popular belief Star Wars weapons are actually incredibly weak.

A tie fighters weapons do just slightly more damage then a blaster rifle.

Example. R2D2 is hit with both a Tie Fighters guns and a blaster rifle, the Tie fighter does slightly more damage.

Now keep in mind a tie fighter is also a serious threat against capital ships

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Gomla
02.12.2012 , 06:34 AM | #259
Quote: Originally Posted by MORTTUUM View Post
Star Wars, any series, wins hands down no contest. Simple reasons;
1) WH40K weapons are ridiculously short-ranged, the Leman Russ Battlecannon only shoots about 150m. AT-ATs will have 10-15 turns (or whatever) of firing before the Russ's can even shoot back.
2) Rivets and bolts; NOTHING that's bolted/rivetted together can take even a modest hit without falling apart rapidly. The USSR Army of 1943 could waste the Imp Guard, let alone the SW Empire/Rep/Rebs...

Any SWv40K battle would be like Zulus vs (any modern army) fought on open plains at night.
1) Baneblade's say hi and Titans popped in to wave.

2) Again, Baneblades say hi as do all the other super heavy tanks of the Warhammer universe.

You do know AT-AT's weapons would barely scratch the paint of Terminator armour never mind Dreadnaughts or heavy tanks. If they got a lucky shot on an Astartes in Terminator armour they might just knock him back a step ..... and then annoy him.

I won't even get into what a Hive Tyrant would do to an AT-AT.

The main weaponry of Star Wars is lasers and plasma swords. Neither of those would do any damage against regular Astartes Power Armour.

So we'll leave out Terminator Armour, Necrons, Carapace covered Tyranids (some of which are impervious to bolter rounds), Chaos legion armour that's imbued with the warp and the psychic imbued power armour of the Grey Knights.

Sorry for repeating myself but comparing a universe designed to be subtle to a universe designed to be brutal, dark and focus around the death of entire planetary sectors just for fun doesn't work out so well.

Rivets and bolts is not an argument. You are bringing our rules into a fictional one and it doesn't work that way.

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Nursewithwound
02.12.2012 , 06:35 AM | #260
Hmm.. Sith guy who goes around running his mouth before he tries to force choke you.. Or Genestealer, who tries to either rip you apart or lay its eggs in you esophogus.. >.< Bro watch the cartoons, watch the shows.. All those critters are pretty much washouts from a Jim Hensen session.. The **** all over warhammer is ugly, its mean, an it will rip you from the inside out 10 ways from sunday.. I would love to see that lil green cripple yoda try a few hours in the EYE.. You think jackhole walking around in the tunnel was bad? Heh you bout to see what the real ' DARK SIDE ' looks like.. =)