Never seen a valid argument against the LFD

This. make a LFD that only uses your server as a Pool and all your negative arguments are gone.

WoW started an avalanche because the basic design was fantastic and the time was ripe. Most of the original team is gone now.

They could introduce a poop-demon race, and millions of people would still be playing it.

You can't look at WoW today and consider every decision 100% correct because it's still popular. You have to use your brain a bit for that.

Blizzard themselves have admitted that they didn't intend the world to be empty, and have people stand around waiting for dungeons to pop. That's why they're going to try with "world scenarios" and whatever crap they come up with next.

If you think they're flawless because WoW is a success, that's your business. I guess you think Avatar is the best movie ever, or Farmville is masterful.

Anyone who remembers the original PvP ranking system and how people got physically ill from playing around the clock to compete - should understand how Blizzard can suck majorly in terms of game design. WoW lost its way long ago, and people are just slow getting to terms with that.

Introducing a cross server LFD tool will please the mainstream audience, sure, but it doesn't necessarily make for the better game in the long-term.

I played a tank in WoW. I don't know if it was directly responsible but the introduction of LFD roughly coincided with the 'GO GO GO' mentality of certain players.

This is what ruined WoW for me and the main reason I quit after 7 years and 280+ /played days of enjoyment.

*EDIT* It might have been the badge system that was responsible for that though.

The PVP system wasn't that bad.
Sure you got people that play 18 hours a day to get there and some others who compete with them.
But that is hardly the mistake of the company that some people are mentally ill, no offense but it is.
Though I do admit they could have been made a lot better.

Still in terms of decision making Blizzard is by far better than EA.
So far I am not impressed with Bioware either.

I think it was offensively bad design, but to each his own. In the end, though, they completely changed it - so they must have considered it a mistake.

EA is a publisher and Blizzard is a developer.

Bioware used to be great, but I haven't been impressed by them since KotOR and partially Dragon Age.

SWtOR isn't great but it does have potential.

I'm hoping their lust for money is enough to make them improve the game - but I'm not deluding myself into thinking it will ever be a truly great MMO.

I agreed with that could have been a lot better, but people assaulting their body is their own responsibility.


Well yes EA is the publisher but they have a great say in what happens and what not.
It would be strange if they would have no say in the game while spending so much money on it.

But yeah that's how I see SWTOR, it isn't great but with it has a lot of potential.
Question is will they go for that, I hope so but I doubt it.

I had lengthy debates, arguments and banters pre-release AGAINST the LFG tool entirely.

However, after playing for several weeks, I'm now on the side of LFG-tool being implemented...so long as it's ONLY same server.

I'd still prefer it not to instantly port you in, though. Additionally, I'd like to be able to view people's skill tree to ensure morons aren't selecting "Healer" to avoid a que only to find out after you've begun they're nothing more than a DPS.

I'm not blaming Blizzard for the actions taken by people of their own free will. I'm just saying that if you design a system where you're required to play almost 24/7 to be the best - you're a bad designer.

But that's just my opinion.

In my world, skill should be the ultimate factor - not time. Time alone should only matter in-so-far as the game wouldn't be fun if it didn't take time to learn and acquire gear. But having to grind your way to the top is completely counterproductive to healthy competition.

I'm not saying it's strange. I'm just pointing out the differences. EA is all about money and nothing else - and Blizzard certainly used to be about the game as much as the money. These days, however, I'm not sure what they're about.

After experiencing some time on ToR I can say: This community is not better or worse than the WoW-community. There are enough selfish people, there are enough rants. Hell, even less group skills like aggro management or "talk to each other".

So the LFD system won't change this. People are like they are. But the LFD could (!) make things worse as people rant each other also because they don't know each other. This was the usual answer during discussions - this and many other things ("if it was a guild or server group, ok, but it was a lfd group, so kkthxbye.", "going afk? On lfd, for sure... they can kick me but I won't see them anymore. Enough players to group with", ...).

LFD makes things easier when wanting to have a quick group experience. But it won't change things to the best. Really not. I lost my belief in humanity already in Everquest 1, my first MMO. Don't ask me why, but ninjalooting, ninjamining, refuse of talk, being impatient, ...

The only thing that helps: People need to know each other. Feeling responsible for what you are doing often comes with the fear about consequences and reactions of people you know. This is not valid for everyone, but it seems it is for a lot of people. This is what I call "server karma" - they fear to not find any groups anymore, they fear to have it even more difficult to find players to group with. Nothing else really helps.
This is assumed by watching the opposite, the LDF. The less people know each other, the easier it is to act like a.... well, you know.

In short:
So yes, on one side I love it, on the other hand I hate it. Hard to say and decide

Ama

please some anti-LFD guy explain to me why a PvP-Matchmaking-Groupmaking system is fine instead.

I don't see you asking for the LFpvp tool to be removed. Why is that?