"This game is new" isnt an accept excuse for the games problems

You clearly have no idea how the business works. They did not create the game.

I'm just ganna go ahead and poke holes in the OP because I'm bored.


1: Many movies are in fact incomplete when they go to theaters. Many scenes are cut out to make the movie shorter, which is then sold in extended editions for more money when put onto DvD/Bluray.

2: Many people buy cars without parts, including engines to work on them as a hobby.

I just wanted to point that out ^_^

Next, no MMO is EVER complete. There will always be bugs, and always more content to come until the game shuts down.

I believe this game has more than enough excuses to be incomplete or buggy. BW is new to the MMO scene. The fact that they went straight from RPGs to AAA MMOs is a daunting task they undertook. And I think they did quite well.

People need to understood this game wasn't made to be the next big MMO. BW didn't make the game with "Lets get 13 million subs and beat WoW" in mind. The game was created to continue the KOTOR story line. Not to beat every MMO out there.

SWTOR is meant for the Star Wars fans, the people who love the Star Wars story, universe, etc...

I'm guessing... (my opinion) on why BW made this game a MMO instead of an RPG is because:

1: They wanted to make money. Just like any sensible company. And MMOs can be a huge profit.

2: They wanted to bring KOTOR fans together. Which I believe they did by adding all the voice acting and such, successfully creating a good storyline.


Now, people need to understand they're working on patches. It's not like the devs are sitting around laughing at people's problems with the game. It's holiday season right now, BW employees have lives to and most are probably with family and friends. The release date was horrible, probably a ploy by EA to make more money. But the point is they're working on fixes, and that doesn't mean every bug will be fixed in the next 5 minutes. You all need to learn some patience and wait. Unsub if you're unhappy with the game's state and come back in a couple months.

Let me preface this by saying this isnt a post trashing the game or complaining. This is a post directed at those who that throw around ridiculous and unfounded excuses at the slightest criticism(constructive or not) about this game.

The fact that this game is new or just came out is not an excuse for any flaws or missing features.

Would you go see a movie that was only 70% complete and had no ending, just because its 'new' ?
Would you buy a car with no engine? I guess thats fine because its new.

Bioware knew full well the types of features and content modern MMOs have. They seemingly had plenty of time and resources to develop this game. Players thinking about purchasing or continuing to play this game are completely justified in expecting that any missing content or features should have been present at launch. Moreover, most of them are complaining because they WANT to like the game and continuing playing, it is simply difficult to justify paying a monthly fee or playing a game you know is lacking fundamental features.

Futhermore the fact that WoW or any other MMO did not have "X feature" when it was released is not any better an excuse. This game is not competing with WoW of 2005, it is competing with the WoW(and other MMOs) of today. In 2005 MMOs were more primative, and less fleshed out, it was acceptable and common to lack certain features, it is however NOT acceptable today.

Gidoru, let me make one thing clear.

I'm currently a college student. I took a course I believe translates to "computer technician". I am majoring in programming.

And let me tell you this right now. Comparing ANYTHING that has to do with programing to things like cars, food, restaurants ect is wrong to the point where we find it insulting to read.
I don't care what "context" you put it in. Its NOTHING like those. I can't even tell you a proper analogy because its not that simple. Its not like a car engine, its not like pizza, and its not like your grandma's bakery store.

So please, just stop.
just... Stop.

P.S. Ever since I took this course I've hated the internet just that much more.

Hmmm, the original post seems to completely ignore the concept of multiplicative growth in quality.



Take, let's say, the original Everquest. As it was the basis for most MMOs today, we can consider EQ to have a base launch value of 1.

Take World of Warcraft, which refined, redid, and added many elements to this EQ formula at launch. We can say it has a base value of 2.

Take SW: The Old Republic, which has again,r refined, redid, and added many elements to the WoW formula at launch. We can say it has a base value of 4.

Due to the multiplicative nature of adding elements of interactivity, you can say the total amount of interactive elements and forms of combinational 'gameplay' in these games is increased by its base value every 2 years.

So in 5 years from launch, EQ becomes 5, WoW becomes 10, and SW:ToR becomes 20.


WoW may CURRENTLY have a total gameplay value of 9 now (2 + (7years/2)*2), while SW:TOR only has 4, but not only will SW:TOR quickly catch up as it gains a gameplay value of 4 every 2 years, versus WoW's 2, it will eventually overtake WoW in gameplay value.


These numbers are purely representative, but the concept of a larger base multiplier is KEY when evaluating game content that is consistently updated. The numbers will hopefully allow people to understand that.


TLDR: No, you can't judge a game that's constantly being updated at launch versus one that's been out 7 years. This is a horribly blind view of game design. For games that are constantly updated, you need to consider the base multiplier, and you have completely ignored that. You have ignored a KEY element of game design when it comes to exponential complexity in growth of continually updated software.

So yes, it is a perfectly reasonable, sound approach to the MMORPG to say you cannot compare total gameplay value of two games when they've been launched 7 years apart.

Gosh i dont know what to tell you. Perfection for yesterday you claim, yet you have no notion of what that implies.

several years of development went to WoW before it released, i dont know how many but i believe around the same time it took for this game. Add to that 7 years of revenue/funded development and 4 expansion packs retail sale.

You expect a company to make an investment propotional to the years of development before release + 7 years of revenue and development, so a 12 year development cycle, to happen in 6 funded without any revenue from the product.

Do you realise how ridiculous and unrealistic your demand is? If you like WoW, then stick to WoW. Also, dont come preach WoW has done it all right... WoW has lost more customers in 1 year than SWTOR got at launch.

So basically, I should unsub and come back in 5-7 years if I want an MMO according to todays standards?