"This game is new" isnt an accept excuse for the games problems

Let me preface this by saying this isnt a post trashing the game or complaining. This is a post directed at those who that throw around ridiculous and unfounded excuses at the slightest criticism(constructive or not) about this game.

The fact that this game is new or just came out is not an excuse for any flaws or missing features.

Would you go see a movie that was only 70% complete and had no ending, just because its 'new' ?
Would you buy a car with no engine? I guess thats fine because its new.

Bioware knew full well the types of features and content modern MMOs have. They seemingly had plenty of time and resources to develop this game. Players thinking about purchasing or continuing to play this game are completely justified in expecting that any missing content or features should have been present at launch. Moreover, most of them are complaining because they WANT to like the game and continuing playing, it is simply difficult to justify paying a monthly fee or playing a game you know is lacking fundamental features.

Futhermore the fact that WoW or any other MMO did not have "X feature" when it was released is not any better an excuse. This game is not competing with WoW of 2005, it is competing with the WoW(and other MMOs) of today. In 2005 MMOs were more primative, and less fleshed out, it was acceptable and common to lack certain features, it is however NOT acceptable today.

You are what they call a "no win case", then. If this is what it takes to get you angry, then you've:

A: Clearly not had much experience with MMO releases yet. Especially if you think this somehow compares to WoW's horrible release. Or that Bioware somehow needs to throw resources into the game during the holiday season to satisfy a 7 year lead.

B: Have extremely thin skin. Especially when the game is fully playable and enjoyable right now.


The game is perfectly playable, fun, and can stand on its own legs. The things people are making seem like they're life or death issues for the game are minor tweaks or bug fixes. Some of which have already been confirmed to be in the works to being fixed.


People need to chill out and go drink some old egg nog or something. And quit clogging up the general discussion forums with self righteous posts about how the game is doomed to failure. There's more important things to talk about.

Haha thats where you are wrong. The EA suits would like to have a word with you.

I think the EA guy was quite pleased anouncing they were going to beat activision in every gaming genre, I do remember very well him saying that BF3 was just the start.

If you think that SWTOR is not a direct response to activision's hold on the market you are incredibly naive.

Also, they tried it with WAR to, EA is getting IP licenses left and right to try and beat wow at their own game, when what they should probably do is their own MMO that would break WoW in half

Would you go see a movie that was only 70% complete and had no ending, just because its 'new' ?

Lol at this. You read my post and gathered this from it. Lol @ U.

Haha thats where you are wrong. The EA suits would like to have a word with you.

There is no reasoning with people like yourself. You're just a cynic who's decided that since EA is a big company with lots of money, EA = Bad and anything remotely associated with them = Bad.

I'm just ganna go ahead and poke holes in the OP because I'm bored.


1: Many movies are in fact incomplete when they go to theaters. Many scenes are cut out to make the movie shorter, which is then sold in extended editions for more money when put onto DvD/Bluray.

2: Many people buy cars without parts, including engines to work on them as a hobby.

I just wanted to point that out ^_^

Next, no MMO is EVER complete. There will always be bugs, and always more content to come until the game shuts down.

I believe this game has more than enough excuses to be incomplete or buggy. BW is new to the MMO scene. The fact that they went straight from RPGs to AAA MMOs is a daunting task they undertook. And I think they did quite well.

People need to understood this game wasn't made to be the next big MMO. BW didn't make the game with "Lets get 13 million subs and beat WoW" in mind. The game was created to continue the KOTOR story line. Not to beat every MMO out there.

SWTOR is meant for the Star Wars fans, the people who love the Star Wars story, universe, etc...

I'm guessing... (my opinion) on why BW made this game a MMO instead of an RPG is because:

1: They wanted to make money. Just like any sensible company. And MMOs can be a huge profit.

2: They wanted to bring KOTOR fans together. Which I believe they did by adding all the voice acting and such, successfully creating a good storyline.


Now, people need to understand they're working on patches. It's not like the devs are sitting around laughing at people's problems with the game. It's holiday season right now, BW employees have lives to and most are probably with family and friends. The release date was horrible, probably a ploy by EA to make more money. But the point is they're working on fixes, and that doesn't mean every bug will be fixed in the next 5 minutes. You all need to learn some patience and wait. Unsub if you're unhappy with the game's state and come back in a couple months.

See this from a previous response.

The question is not, whether there are movies or cars that are incomplete. Nor is the question would you watch a movie that is incomplete.

The question is more so, is it acceptable to have an incomplete movie for which the justification of its lack of completion is simply that the movie is new. To which i am suggesting the answer is no.

The type of product is irrelevant.
The point i was trying to get across is that one cannot use the newness of a product to justify its flaws. If a product wishes to compete in the market, as im sure SWTOR does, it needs to be released in a form that is sufficient to compete with products that are already on the market. Ideall the goal would be to improve upon what is already on the market. If the product fails to do so, it is not likely to succeed.

If you do not wish to read posts like this, then perhaps you should avoid doing so. Better yet, perhaps you should avoid reading the forums altogether, seeing as you must have had a reasonable expectation that there would be many such posts upon your visiting.(Seeing as you have read so many that you are tired of them ofcourse)