"This game is new" isnt an accept excuse for the games problems

Nothing will please everyone.

But I'm sure most people complaining are here because it's a "new" MMO, expecting it have every little feature that their past MMO had.

I have a rule of thumb to not "complain" about anything until 6 months after release. After that if none of the "major" issues of a MMO or resolved then its a safe bet that the games been abandon. Other then that I absolutely love this game and its perfectly playable right now even with the bugs. So il wait patiently, if theirs anything I've learned over the years is that you really can't tell whats the future of the mmo with out waiting for it to settle down.]

Edit: Scratch that, I don't even complain. I just leave and let it rot :l

Except EA didn't create the game. It doesn't matter what EA's intentions are. You think BW cares about "beating" Activision?

Frankly, I don't care. Both EA and Acti. are both horrible money mongering companies.

When a game, or really anything in any genre, has the sort of foothold that WoW has... no one is going to come roaring out of the gate with something more polished then what they've worked on for the past several years. It's not even possible, and if you think it is you are out of your mind.

To compete in the big boys playground, you have to take a different approach, and Bioware has done that. No one can clone WoW and come up with a better WoW.

See this from a previous response.

The question is not, whether there are movies or cars that are incomplete. Nor is the question would you watch a movie that is incomplete.

The question is more so, is it acceptable to have an incomplete movie for which the justification of its lack of completion is simply that the movie is new. To which i am suggesting the answer is no.

The type of product is irrelevant.
The point i was trying to get across is that one cannot use the newness of a product to justify its flaws. If a product wishes to compete in the market, as im sure SWTOR does, it needs to be released in a form that is sufficient to compete with products that are already on the market. Ideall the goal would be to improve upon what is already on the market. If the product fails to do so, it is not likely to succeed.

If you do not wish to read posts like this, then perhaps you should avoid doing so. Better yet, perhaps you should avoid reading the forums altogether, seeing as you must have had a reasonable expectation that there would be many such posts upon your visiting.(Seeing as you have read so many that you are tired of them ofcourse)

They are the pupeteers, BW is just the puppet


They finance the products for BW, so yea, they did create the game, they basically said what they wanted, and a product very similar to WoW, yet very far from it has come out of the gates

You are what they call a "no win case", then. If this is what it takes to get you angry, then you've:

A: Clearly not had much experience with MMO releases yet. Especially if you think this somehow compares to WoW's horrible release. Or that Bioware somehow needs to throw resources into the game during the holiday season to satisfy a 7 year lead.

B: Have extremely thin skin. Especially when the game is fully playable and enjoyable right now.


The game is perfectly playable, fun, and can stand on its own legs. The things people are making seem like they're life or death issues for the game are minor tweaks or bug fixes. Some of which have already been confirmed to be in the works to being fixed.


People need to chill out and go drink some old egg nog or something. And quit clogging up the general discussion forums with self righteous posts about how the game is doomed to failure. There's more important things to talk about.

Expecting a game in the MMO genre, a game of this size and scale, to be completely bug-free at the time of release is very unrealistic. The "it's still new" argument is still very valid, I assure you.

Every MMO has bugs at release. This is just the way MMOs play out. Every MMO that has been released has had these bugs, so what makes you think SW:ToR should be any different? When it comes to bugs, the "standing on the shoulders of giants" argument does not apply here. That is to say, every new game will never be rid the flaws or missing pieces of games that came before it. WoW had bugs at release, as did Rift, and AoC, and WAR, and Aion, and so on.

Honestly, what can you expect Bioware to do about it? Do you expect the game to have zero bugs/problems at release from some mysterious leap in technology? What new "standards" have been developed that make bugs nonexistent? Building a brand new engine from the ground up will have problems -- this is a fact.

While the standards in miniscule things, like graphics or gameplay elements, may progress over time, common bugs and problems that have existed since the conception of software will never truly be eradicated. Logistical problems as well as human error will exist forever, and you have to take new releases with a grain of salt. For me, the game has a LOT of polish, and it will only improve as time goes on. I'm sorry if you don't see it that way.

Haha thats where you are wrong. The EA suits would like to have a word with you.

You clearly have no idea how the business works. They did not create the game.