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The story based gameplay is flawed and might kill the game.

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The story based gameplay is flawed and might kill the game.

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JScranton
01.25.2012 , 08:00 AM | #51
Quote: Originally Posted by ArmchairMagpie View Post
I am aware of closed games although NWN (still being played and modded;not being a MMO at all) and RO (still existing) shouldn't be on the list. However none of these died because of a single isolated game-crippling issue only. There's always more to that and it often takes a while. With games like APB being more of an exception to the rule. As no sudden death scenarios.

My point is I have read too many reasons about what will/might kill this game that I was more interesting into how this looks like from a semantic angle rather than in examples.
Most MMOs die slow enough that on their way out they have gathered a heap of reasons where none sticks out too much unless it has been neglected from the beginning.

In case of this game I find it is too early to announce a death sentence of any kind or do a preliminary pre-mortem analysis of why this game will have failed.
You said that you never saw anything kill a game before, you didn't specify any one single thing kill a game. That's true, I don't dispute that, but that could be said about any game, not just MMO's for that matter.

NWN: Wasn't referring to the game put out by Bioware. Was referring to the ORIGINAL Never Winter Nights game that was an MMO. Sadly, it seems that most people don't even know about this game. It was an MMO (thru AOL, sadly) that could arguably have been the first graphical MMORPG, based on the Gold Box game engine from SSI.

Last I knew, RO was taken down due to the sequel, RO2. If I'm wrong on this one, I apologize, but that was the last info I had on that game (only played it for a few days, didn't care for it much, so I don't know first hand there).

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mutharex
01.25.2012 , 08:00 AM | #52
Quote: Originally Posted by Siorac View Post
A FEW MINOR SPOILERS HERE:


How much more adult do you need?
To add to that, I cringed when on Ord Mantell your smuggler have to choose between giving the stolen meds to who stole them or point a gun at some 10 years old and menace to kill him if the thief doesn't tell you where the meds are

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DannyInternets
01.25.2012 , 08:01 AM | #53
Quote: Originally Posted by Halofax View Post
WoW is the only game ive ever seen than releases content slow as molasses, and convinces people that every mmo does the same.

Its been a month and we have a new raid and a new flashpoint.

**** with this "running out of story" nonsense.
Aw, you think that the new raid and flashpoint weren't intended to be in the release that was pushed out the door early to grab Christmas sales. That's cute.

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Genesizs
01.25.2012 , 08:01 AM | #54
cool story bro ..

also you gave a opinion as stated in the last bit , but speak for the many several times , bravo ;lp
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Halofax
01.25.2012 , 08:02 AM | #55
Quote: Originally Posted by DannyInternets View Post
Aw, you think that the new raid and flashpoint weren't intended to be in the release that was pushed out the door early to grab Christmas sales. That's cute.
Aww you paid for a game you dont like.

They should stop targetting children with credit card ads.

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bpphantom
01.25.2012 , 08:03 AM | #56
Quote: Originally Posted by gannonmoss View Post
All of your opinions will disappear as soon as you play Empire. The Inquisitor story is anything but safe. Oh and if you don't like it feel free to leave and send me your stuff.
No, send me your stuff.
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sevalaricgirl
01.25.2012 , 08:05 AM | #57
Op, speak for yourself. I'm completely addicted to this game and I've played every Bioware game except Jade Empire including KOTOR. I've also played KOTOR II (Sith Lords) by Obsidian and I love this game. Reminds me a lot of both of them but it's more fun to play because it's fun to play group with others.

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Halofax
01.25.2012 , 08:05 AM | #58
Quote: Originally Posted by bpphantom View Post
No, send me your stuff.
No, send me my stuff.

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Galbatorrix
01.25.2012 , 08:05 AM | #59
Quote: Originally Posted by JeremyDale View Post
Galbat....to /facepalm yourself. The only one "trolling" is yourself.

I don't even like WoW, deffinitely don't have 3 level 85s....

You are simply making crap up and have no idea what you are talking about.

I've barely been on this game for a month. I'm already almost level 50 and have seen all but one planet. Introducing a new flashpoint every month or so isn't going to fix the problems on this game. It doesn't take a genius to know unless some major game-play elements are added this game isn't going to last long.

Now this game did a good job on some things. The companion system for example is really cool. But they didn't do a good job on others - such as bringing to life a long-lasting an interesting world that gives players plenty to do for years to come. There is no way this game is going to last a decade like the devs said was their hope on the current game design. It's just not. It will need a huge overhaul if it's going to be a long-term success.

The "rush to the end" and spam instances or "flashpoints" over and over again is not going to work. It's too repetitive and players are going to get bored and move on.

Have you actually ever played an MMO before? WOW has been going for 7 years now and spamming dungeons/raids and PVP is all anyone does. Heck, that's all there is to do. This game, just like all other MMOs will be fine for a year or two while everyone enjoys the current content along side the content they put out every couple months. Then, in a couple years, they'll release an expansion adding in more story lines to level 50 characters, more companions, more planets, more of everything. This will keep people playing for another year or so after that. Rinse, repeat. This is how MMOs work. If you don't like this formula, MMOs just aren't for you.


In any MMO game, at end game, you're either going to do group instances/raids, daily quests, PVP or make an alt. That's not just TOR. It's every MMO. You either like that set up or you don't. What TOR does have going for it is the story elements. If you think the story is subpar but like the other elements I mentioned, go try a different MMO. If none of this paragraph interests you, again, go play something else because this is what MMOs are.

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JeremyDale
01.25.2012 , 08:05 AM | #60
Quote: Originally Posted by Halofax View Post
I havent experienced this. Never seen a single player game that offers Co Op in the form of 8v8 warzones and 16 man raids...

Maybe you should get off of Korriban.
And I think you are knitpicking....

This game deffinitely plays like a single/player action adventure game. It is even designed like one - and resembles strongly games like Borderlands - where you can easily solo your way through the game but have the option to group up if you wish.

It does have a little of WoW thrown in as well, with the ability to do flashpoints, warzones, and raids with other players if you wish. But they are outside the normal scope of the game and do not fit into the main class lines. They are optional activities.

*** is Korriban?