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The Unofficial TOR and Boot Camp Discussion Thread

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The Unofficial TOR and Boot Camp Discussion Thread

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daemian
12.13.2011 , 07:27 PM | #1
Note: This is not a discussion about OS X, or a 'Windows vs Mac' topic. Comments along those lines will be flagged as off topic. Enjoy!

For all of you Star Wars fans wanting to get TOR running well on your Mac using Windows, hopefully you find the following info useful. Feel free to discuss...

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WHAT IS BOOT CAMP?

Boot Camp is a utility that assists with installing and running Windows on a Mac. It's not always needed to install Windows on a Mac, but many people find it very helpful.

It is not a virtual environment. Boot Camp will install a native version of Windows which will perform exactly as it would on any other machine with the same specs, along with software drivers for any Apple hardware.

Although there are no plans currently for a Mac version, Bioware has said it's something they would like to do at some point. For now, they have mentioned Boot Camp as an alternative for Mac users who want to play TOR.

"...we will make sure it works well 'on Boot Camp'."
- James Ohlen, New York Comic Con, October 14, 2011

Please note that officially Bioware's Tech Support only offers help for running the game in Windows. This doesn't extend to OS X or issues related to Boot Camp or Apple hardware.


SYSTEM REQUIREMENTS

You'll be able to play TOR as long as your Mac meets the following minimum system requirements.

Operating System: Star Wars : The Old Republic can be played on Windows XP, Windows Vista, or Windows 7.

Computer: Your computer should have an AMD Athlon 64 X2 Dual-Core 4000+ or better, and an Intel Core 2 Duo Processor 2.0GHz or better.

RAM: Your computer's RAM should be as follows: for Windows XP: 1.5GB, and for Windows Vista and Windows 7: 2GB. For PCs using a built-in graphical chipset, 2GB RAM recommended.

Video: Your computer's graphics card should be ATI X1800 or better, nVidia 7800 or better, or Intel 4100 Integrated Graphics or better.

Internet connection required to play.

IMPORTANT:

1. Before you begin, back up your files.

2. Please make sure your Windows partition is big enough for your version of Windows and SWTOR, and any other files you may need. Not just now, but also in the future - this includes future expansions to TOR. I recommend a minimum of 100GB partition, but the more room you can spare, the better. Once you have Windows installed, you may find you want to add some more games that you can't play in OS X. If you make it too small, fixing it later is not a simple process and is a huge pain.

3. Read the Setup Guide through at least once, carefully, before doing anything.


The links below should get you started...


USEFUL LINKS

Windows 7 Boot Camp FAQ:
http://support.apple.com/kb/HT3986

Boot Camp Setup Guide for OS X 10.7:
http://manuals.info.apple.com/en_US/...setup_10.7.pdf
(note: this version supports Windows 7 only. The included drivers may not be compatible with XP or Vista.)

Boot Camp Setup Guide for OS X 10.6:
http://manuals.info.apple.com/en_US/...Setup_10.6.pdf

Not sure what the specs on your Mac are? Look them up here:
http://www.everymac.com/systems/appl...applespec.html

Confirm your hardware's compatibility with the minimum specs here:
http://www.systemrequirementslab.com/cyri/
(take these results with a grain of salt)

For more info on how to get started with Boot Camp, check here first:
http://www.apple.com/support/bootcamp/

Curious about your Macbook video card? Find it here:
http://www.notebookcheck.net/

Having trouble getting your Macbook to recognize 64-bit drivers?
http://forums.macrumors.com/showpost...01&postcount=1

Important info for installing Windows 7 on an iMac (27-inch, Late 2009) and iMac (21.5-inch, Mid 2010):
http://support.apple.com/kb/TS3173

2009 iMac & Macbook Pro EFI firmware updates:
http://support.apple.com/kb/ht3561

Some tips and suggestions for dealing with low FPS issues can be found on
page 16 of this thread (thanks to ineidzcode for posting)

Speeding up performance in Windows 7:
http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=1198

From the dev team:
A Note on General Performance Issues


A NOTE ABOUT DRIVERS:


Sound and video drivers are the thing I see people having trouble with the most when they make the switch to Windows. Following the steps below, I have not had a single driver issue in Windows 7, although sometimes it's tricky to find the version that's compatible with certain games due to the frequent updates.

The drivers that are installed when you use Boot Camp are there to get you up and running, but they may not be the best available. Experimenting with different (usually newer) drivers can often improve performance. If you find you're having trouble after an update, follow these steps again and reinstall a previous version.

Before updating any drivers, I always do the following:
  • uninstall or delete any old versions of the one I'm installing.
  • run a free program called Driver Sweeper to find and delete any straggling files that didn't get removed.
  • run another free program called CCleaner to clean out any leftover files and registry entries.
  • restart.
It's not something OS X users are used to dealing with, but with the proper drivers, your Mac will run Windows games at least as well as any PC with equivalent specs.

Good luck!

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Hotaruchan
12.13.2011 , 10:52 PM | #2
Any suggestions for video drivers other than the default Catalyst ones for a 2011 MacBook Pro 15"?

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daemian
12.13.2011 , 11:36 PM | #3
Quote: Originally Posted by Hotaruchan View Post
Any suggestions for video drivers other than the default Catalyst ones for a 2011 MacBook Pro 15"?
I'm not using a 2011 Macbook Pro but I'm getting great performance with 11.10. I'll probably upgrade to 11.11 this week.

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Hotaruchan
12.14.2011 , 02:19 AM | #4
Quote: Originally Posted by daemian View Post
I'm not using a 2011 Macbook Pro but I'm getting great performance with 11.10. I'll probably upgrade to 11.11 this week.
You mind telling me what great is?

I'm at around 20-30 FPS on 1660x1440 and the newest Catalyst drivers, all things on lowest. Thought I could do a bit better than that.

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daemian
12.14.2011 , 05:40 AM | #5
Quote: Originally Posted by Hotaruchan View Post
You mind telling me what great is?

I'm at around 20-30 FPS on 1660x1440 and the newest Catalyst drivers, all things on lowest. Thought I could do a bit better than that.
My specs: 2008 Mac Pro, 2.8 GHz 8-core, 12GB RAM, Radeon HD6970 2GB

At 1920x1200 I'm getting 60-110 FPS depending on the area, all settings on max with AA and AF boosted in Catalyst. My GPU is running at 64 degrees at 99% load, which is slightly more demanding than it was in beta.

The old thread is deleted but so I can't refer back to older posts, but I would have thought you'd be getting better than that. Do you have anything turned up high in Catalyst? If I turn AA up more than 4x my FPS drops like a stone. Also make sure your computer is using the discrete GPU and not defaulting to the intel integrated graphics.

Hopefully someone with the same specs can post their results to compare.

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Hotaruchan
12.14.2011 , 05:43 AM | #6
Quote: Originally Posted by daemian View Post
My specs: 2008 Mac Pro, 2.8 GHz 8-core, 12GB RAM, Radeon HD6970 2GB

At 1920x1200 I'm getting 60-110 FPS depending on the area, all settings on max with AA and AF boosted in Catalyst. My GPU is running at 64 degrees at 99% load, which is slightly more demanding than it was in beta.

The old thread is deleted but so I can't refer back to older posts, but I would have thought you'd be getting better than that. Do you have anything turned up high in Catalyst? If I turn AA up more than 4x my FPS drops like a stone. Also make sure your computer is using the discrete GPU and not defaulting to the intel integrated graphics.

Hopefully someone with the same specs can post their results to compare.
That is pretty sexy, sounds better than mine.

Are you turning stuff on in Catalyst or are you turning them on in game? V-Sync or no?

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Onyx
12.14.2011 , 05:50 AM | #7
Quote: Originally Posted by Hotaruchan View Post
Any suggestions for video drivers other than the default Catalyst ones for a 2011 MacBook Pro 15"?
I had issues with the current catalyst. What I found worked for me was to install the Omega drivers/tool for ATI.
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catabuca
12.14.2011 , 05:52 AM | #8
I'm new to Boot Camp (got it up and running a month or so ago specifically for ToR), so I haven't messed around with drivers at all. I only got to see the game for the Thanksgiving weekend test, and it ran perfectly well. I had some mouse issues, but they are system-wide issues I'm working on resolving across the board, not a result of this game. Otherwise, I got, from what I remember, very good FPS, no graphical issues to note, running everything relatively high but not going overboard with things like ground item density and so on (can't remember the exact names for this stuff, since, as I say, I only had access for that weekend and am not back in yet).

15" top spec off the shelf Macbook Pro 2011, btw (was never intended for gaming, but works just fine).

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daemian
12.14.2011 , 05:57 AM | #9
Quote: Originally Posted by Hotaruchan View Post
That is pretty sexy, sounds better than mine.

Are you turning stuff on in Catalyst or are you turning them on in game? V-Sync or no?
V-sync is off in TOR. My Catalyst settings:

AA - 4x w/ morphological filtering; override app settings; edge detect
AF - 4x
Tesselation - AMD optimized (max)
Catalyst A.I. - High, Enable surface format optimization
Wait for refresh - off
AA mode - Performance
OpenGL settings - Triple buffering

Based on catabuca's post above, I think you should be able to improve performance quite a bit if you can figure out what's going on.

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Hotaruchan
12.14.2011 , 06:00 AM | #10
Quote: Originally Posted by catabuca View Post
I'm new to Boot Camp (got it up and running a month or so ago specifically for ToR), so I haven't messed around with drivers at all. I only got to see the game for the Thanksgiving weekend test, and it ran perfectly well. I had some mouse issues, but they are system-wide issues I'm working on resolving across the board, not a result of this game. Otherwise, I got, from what I remember, very good FPS, no graphical issues to note, running everything relatively high but not going overboard with things like ground item density and so on (can't remember the exact names for this stuff, since, as I say, I only had access for that weekend and am not back in yet).

15" top spec off the shelf Macbook Pro 2011, btw (was never intended for gaming, but works just fine).
You mind looking at your Catalyst drivers + in game setting and taking a screenshot and posting it here? I'm not sure what's wrong, my Macbook Pro should be the same as yours.

Quote: Originally Posted by Onyx View Post
I had issues with the current catalyst. What I found worked for me was to install the Omega drivers/tool for ATI.
Thanks, I'll try those too.