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Obi-Wan .VS. Anakin


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LordMerrick
12.31.2011 , 11:43 AM | #1
I have never been able to figure this out. All through the movies Anakin displays superior skill to Obi-Wan, both in swordplay and command of force. In one of the movies obi agreed that anakin saved his life 7 times.

Anakin prevailed over dooku 1 on 1 when obi-wan was clearly no match for dooku, even with the benefit of 2 against 1.

Ani goes dark and is supposed to gain power and skill at an accelerated rate ( yoda in movie V says the dark side is faster) and Ani begins to reflect dark side changes in his appearance only hours after falling to the dark side.

And then suddenly: at the end of the 3rd movie ani and obi duel for hours and obi-wan eventually defeats him? At one point in the duel they both used force push against each other and neither one of them could gain the upper hand?

What the heck happened here?? Ani was clearly the superior warrior until these two fight each other.

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jarjarloves
12.31.2011 , 11:45 AM | #2
darkside.... anger..... unfocused.... blah ..... blah..... blah...

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IAJAKI
12.31.2011 , 11:55 AM | #3
Anakin had more talent
Obi-Wan had more skill
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Calus
12.31.2011 , 12:07 PM | #4
Obi-Wan was on a higher ledge. This gives a temp buff with 100% chance of dismemberment.

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jarjarloves
12.31.2011 , 01:14 PM | #5
Quote: Originally Posted by Calus View Post
Obi-Wan was on a higher ledge. This gives a temp buff with 100% chance of dismemberment.
unless you are darth maul


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IKg4CUQLq0k

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LordMerrick
12.31.2011 , 01:19 PM | #6
Quote: Originally Posted by Calus View Post
Obi-Wan was on a higher ledge. This gives a temp buff with 100% chance of dismemberment.

That explains how obi defeated a more powerful sith, but it doesnt explain how anakin failed to defeat obi during the hours they fought BEFORE obi gained the upper ground.

and yes....i too have a hard time with obi-wan's victory over darth maul given that the same disadvantage proved more than anakin was able to overcome. The desperate conclusion I came up with there was that darth maul was so sure of victory he let his guard down and was just slow to react......not imagining that obi might have a lightsaber barreling toward his hand.

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Calus
12.31.2011 , 01:51 PM | #7
Well, one could also look at Anakin, both then and the days before that fight. He had lost everything he believed in, was plagued by nightmares and had just killed off a temple full of apprentices and children. Before this Anakin was mostly untouched by the dark side, other than a few lapses into rage(That incident with the sand people and his fight against Dooku).

It is safe to assume that the emotions he now let himself fully submerge to were very conflicted about fighting his "brother", as they experienced each other. It might be that Anakin was fighting Obi-Wan to fight, not to kill.

As for Darth Maul vs. Obi-Wan one could also take a psychological approach to it.(Applying psychology to fiction is apparently one of my favourite past-times). Darth Maul killed the master, the apprentice was at the verge of death, and Maul's taunting showed he felt both superiour and safe. While Obi-Wan had just witnessed his Masters death and had nowhere to run, excluding the "flight" option from the "fight or flight" syndrome. Besides, seriously.. Who would anticipate that move?

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BrandonSM
12.31.2011 , 02:04 PM | #8
If they were sparring and they had no real personal emotions for eachother- Obi Wins.

If it was a battle like we saw on Mustafar and Anakin was on a full fledged rage mode, he wins.

As Vader/Mechanical- He beats most Jedi Including Obi.
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Gordknight
12.31.2011 , 02:40 PM | #9
Bottom line:

Because George Lucas wrote the script.

Since when did he do anything that even resembles a rational human thought let alone an engaging plot line.

Did you know he originally wanted to make the second indiana jones movie take place in a haunted house until speilberg told him it was a dumb as **** idea? Not trolling... look it up.

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Wolfninjajedi
12.31.2011 , 02:45 PM | #10
Not even gonna touch Obi vs Anakin on Mustafar because people have way too different views on how it played out. But Anakin was the superior warrior in the case of if we are comparing Obi-Wan's feats vs Anakins.

Obi-Wan killed Maul as a padawan, but at that point Obi-Wan was really no mere padawan so in skill not in title he was a jedi knight before he underwent the trails to hold the title of knight.

Obi-Wan killed Grevious, and chopped off 2 of his hands however he was in a tight bind and resorted to use a blaster to actually kill him. But the duel itself Obi-Wan was holding his own.

Anakin vs Dooku round 1, Anakin held his own far longer then Obi-Wan who was a jedi master and at this point Anakin was only a padawan who was facing not only a powerful sith lord but one of the former jedi order's greatest jedi masters.

Anakin vs Dooku round 2, Obi-Wan is eliminated early on in the duel and at this point Anakin shows that he has grown in strength. Coupled with that in tapping into the darkside, he overwhelms Dooku and before his death acknowledges that Anakin is the finest Djem So stylist he had ever seen.

Now being that only two others have been able to match or beat Dooku(Mace & Yoda) this shows that Anakin was in skill a jedi master. Going to the darkside he used the form in a more brutal fashion, which only made him deadlier then when he was before. But i'll not going into the Musty duel for reasons above, people think different things on it.
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Obi-Wan is the form 3 master and is smart, which really are the only two things he holds above Anakin.
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